waynebiker
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What bottle cages do you guys and gals use on your Calfee. i am trying to decided. Any ideas? I am considering the:
Arundel,Tacx, elite,or Campy(probably not, but can be convinced)
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bfd
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Reged: 12/22/03
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Get the King stainless steel cages - cheap ($15), fairly light (48g), and because they're stainless steel, won't rust or mark up your waterbottles. Alternatively, if you need to spend more, King Ti cages are lighter (28g), but cost $45!
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Blastinbob
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Loc: Long Beach, Ca.
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I really like my arundels. I have an older pair on my calfee, much more industrial looking, and a new set on my CDA.
They are eject proof and a very easy target to hit on the move.
It looks, to me, that they are now being made somewhere other than the garage.
Bob
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Bruce
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Reged: 12/27/03
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Loc: North of NYC
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Arundels are now being made in China. Great cage. 0 ejections after 2 years of riding. I used to eject monthly with steel and Ti cages. I also have the garage specials. The Chinese versions are smoother and glossy. Same basic design.
Here is the bottom line on bottle cages: Metal cages will eventually bend and therefore are prone to ejecting bottles when it is most inconvenient. Carbon cages will not bend over time, and therefore are not prone to ejecting at all. Carbon will break before it bends, but that is only if you really stress it, and putting a bottle in and out will not stress the carbon to the breaking point.
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Jeff_Nichols
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Reged: 12/18/03
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Loc: San Jose
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I have two Chris King Ti cages on my calfee. I wouldn't have bought them for myself (I had the steel ones before) - but got them as a christmas gift. I've been very happy with both the steel and ti cages. Metal cages can "loosen" but I can tell when it's happening (the bottle comes in/out easier) and just bend it back in a bit to tighten it.
I've never tried carbon cages - sounds like there are some good ones out there.
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noheadwind
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Great... another want for the bicycle 
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BubbaTex
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Loc: Austin, Texas
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wayne - I have the new Tacx Taos cages which are some type of high impact plastic I believe. Only about $14 each from Excel and only about 38grs. They are cool, BUT I had to buy new bottles. I had "fat" water bottles and had to get some of the old "regular" ones. The Tacx design holds very well.
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Suds
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Someday I imagine that I will shell out the money for the Arundel or Profile carbon cages. But until then - I must say that I'm very happy with the Trek (sorry for the foul language  ) Bat "composite" cages. Only $10 each, around 40 grams, works great with the Tetra mounting and holds the bottle securely, while allowing quick and easy bottle withdrawal & replacement.
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Gocycle
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Did anybody see the prices for the Campy water bottle cages 
They gotta be kidding..........
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noheadwind
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YIKES...Steep price for a bottle cage....
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Fish
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I have two IRD carbon cages on my newly received D-fly. The cages are thin and flexible and weigh 16 g each. I've only been on my bike twice so far, being in New Hampshire. The cages seem to hold the bottles quite snugly when ridden over rough roads. The more I ride, the more feed back I can give. Thus far, no problem with ejection.
The price is about average for carbon cages, $44.00.
Hope this helps.
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1centaur
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Reged: 12/24/03
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Loc: Massachusetts
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I also have Tacx Tao cages - they measure heavier than they claim, and they're made of aluminum, but I do like them and they are one of the cheaper ways to reduce grams.
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Lon
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Reged: 12/20/03
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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FYI. Chris King doesn't make that cage. It is made by a company called King. It still is a great cage however.
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Jeff_Nichols
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Reged: 12/18/03
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Loc: San Jose
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wow! you certainly are correct. i wonder if the similarity in names was accidental... sure got me with my assumptions. in any case, i've been happy with the cages - but then again, i was happy with the standard metal cages i had before these too!
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Risky1
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Did the IRD cages fit on the Dragonfly bottles bosses, or did you have to shim under the cages so that the nut wouldn't hit the bottle? When I looked at them at the bike shop, it looked like it might be close.
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Fish
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No, I didn't shim underneath the cage. The bottom nut doesn't make contact with the bottle, but it is close. The top nut, I placed a washer under it to make a better contact surface. It does, ever so slightly makes contact with the bottle. With out the washer, it probably wouldn't make contact with the bottle, but like the bottom bolt, be very close.
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CowtownRacing
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I'd go with the Arundel cages all day long. Reasonable price, beautiful finish, nice logo, and WILL NOT eject a bottle.
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Gocycle
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I bet the price goes way down, That price was for just ONE cage!
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noheadwind wrote:
YIKES...Steep price for a bottle cage....
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SpinDoc
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Reged: 12/24/03
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I've never understood putting this much cash into water bottle cages. I still go for the generic 5 dollar jobs. Seems crazy to me but some people are just Carbon junkies I guess.
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homsie
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Spindoc, I agree with you....I still use the $5 bottle cages and I can't remember it ever ejecting a bottle. I just remember to bend them enough to make sure that the bottle is snug.
James
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Rippin
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Yummy....
It may be somewhat expensive (bought it new on EBay for $46) but it's dead sexy. And it comes with a cool Campy waterbottle.
I didn't buy this for my Calfee (because it won't work with the "stud" waterbottle bosses), I 'm going to use it on my Casati. 
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vomatic
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Why won't the Campy cages fit a Calfee? Is that just the chorus or do the record cages not fit either? I think these would make the perfect finishing touch my new 'fly.
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mb2k
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Anyone tried the Campy cage on a Calfee? My DF is being built right now, and told them to add these cages...can't imagine these won't fit...
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JohnC
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Campy cages fit fine on my Dragonfly with a washer or two to keep the bolts from scratching the bottles. These work great but I need to have my head examined for the indulgence. Try WiseCycleBuys.com for the best price I could find.
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Rippin
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Here's a visual description of why it won't work on my frame. The newer Calfees may have different water bottle bosses. My frame is about 3 years old.
1. After putting the cage on the frame, the bosses were not tall enough for the nut to screw on to.
2. The boss base was the major culprit to why there is not enough post exposed to grab the nut.
3. Even if there were enough post exposed for the nut to grip, there wouldn't be enough space around the nut to use a wrench to screw it down so that it is flush with the base.
Hope that explains it.
Edited by Rippin (01/11/04 10:28 PM)
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SpinDoc
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Seems like you ought to be able to find longer bosses. Have you guys thought about contacting Campy or Calfee about it? If you're willing to spend that much on Cages, maybe it's worth it to go that extra mile.
Edited, answered my own question that I have now deleted from this post.
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Edited by SpinDoc (01/12/04 03:49 PM)
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skuke
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Hey Rippin,
Nice set of photos!! What camera and lens are you using?
On photo #2, it looks as though you could cut a bit of the plastic (half?) away on the side nearest the boss. That would buy you a little bit of stud. Then you could countersink that same side allowing the boss to sit further into the hole giving even a bit more stud. Or, just use a larger countersunk hole to start. Of course, this modification could mean the bottle cage plastic may damage the boss and paint unless you matched the countersink angle to the boss angle.
I have a similar problem on my old Carbon Frames and cheapo Performance cages. No cutting required, but I had too little threaded stud showing for properly securing the nuts. For my fix, I inverted the nylock nut on one stud and used a thin "jam" nut with blue locktite on the other. It was an experiment to see which loosened and failed first. Well, it's been YEARS now and both are still secure.
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Rippin
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Quote:
SpinDoc wrote:
Seems like you ought to be able to find longer bosses. Have you guys thought about contacting Campy or Calfee about it? If you're willing to spend that much on Cages, maybe it's worth it to go that extra mile.
Edited, answered my own question that I have now deleted from this post.
I guess I could do that, but like I stated above, I didn't purchase the cage for the Calfee as I knew it wouldn't fit. I can't imagine changing the boss to a longer one a cheap exercise, as I would have to send it back to Calfee to fix and they'd most probably have to repaint the entire frame.
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Rippin
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Quote:
skuke wrote:
Hey Rippin,
Nice set of photos!! What camera and lens are you using?
On photo #2, it looks as though you could cut a bit of the plastic (half?) away on the side nearest the boss. That would buy you a little bit of stud. Then you could countersink that same side allowing the boss to sit further into the hole giving even a bit more stud. Or, just use a larger countersunk hole to start. Of course, this modification could mean the bottle cage plastic may damage the boss and paint unless you matched the countersink angle to the boss angle.
Thanks, the camera is a Canon S45 in macro setting. The original files look much better as they are not heavily compressed as are the photos you are viewing here.
Altering the cage to work is an option, but I never intended to use the Campy cage on the Calfee. I just posted the images here as people are questioning why certain water bottle cages won't work with certain Calfee frames. I'd just rather get a cage that works with the frame right off the bat.
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rick
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The water bottle question is a difficult one due to the carbon frame. After trying a lot of water bottle cages that did not fit, I settled on the Elite carbon for my Dragonfly. The bolt seemed to recess enough on the cage to allow unimpeded access to the water bottle. No shim was necessary. The Elite cages are also light and fit stylisticly with the carbon frame. Are you going to spend the money for a carbon frame and then worry about the price of a water bottle cage?
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waynebiker
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I just got my tetra pro and after placing the ? a while ago I still do not know what cage to get. The price of the record cage is just to much, would rather put the money into a nice set of new carbon clinchers. I do like the look of the elite cages I will give them a look. We shall see?????? how do youlike your D-fly how did you build it up?
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Rippin
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I concur regarding the Elite Patao carbon cages. They fit awesome on my Tetra. The bolt area is recessed enough to allow clear passage of the bottle and wide enough to use a socket wrench on the nut.
Slight downside: cost, but hey, most users on these forums pay upwards of over $2000 for a frame so what's $80 for carbon cage !!
See..SCHWEET...
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rickny
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I have a Tetra-Pro on order and wanted to select bottle cages for it. I see a great deal has been written about cages, but haven't seen any references to the BTP carbon cages shown at http://wisecyclebuys.com/id273.htm
I would appreciate hearing from those who may use these cages and their experiences as well as from anyone who might know if there are any fit issues with installing these cages on a Tetra.
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Edited by rickny (02/05/04 04:48 PM)
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Suds
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Sorry but the BTP cages will not work. They are designed to have a flush mounted screw attachment to the frame, and do not have a recessed area to allow for the Tetra's stud and bolt combo.
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dah
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All of the ultra light cages I have seen won't work with the Calfee mounts. The lightest I have found that works is the Record Carbon. But I am getting rid of mine because they dont' work with the Zefal Magnum bottles I like to use. Gone back to Arundel. I like the new ones better than the original made in Texas ones. Prettier, smoother and tighter - how often does a 43 year old guy get that? ;-)
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