Allan
journeyman
Reged: 05/04/04
Posts: 198
Loc: Bds,W I
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Gee Lon, my my, you have been busy on this forum about me, i guess you didnt think someone could actually own more than one bike. Well ok so i didnt tell you how many bikes i had, so from your posts you seem to think i only could have one bike, or did you not get the reply that xd out sent about me owning three road bikes at present, but then i also forgot to mention the track bike in that total, so technically that makes four bikes.
Ok its come to this, so i just got to say it,lets just get something straight in this forum right now,I can afford any bicycle or frameset that any company makes, so a choice of frame or parts for me is not limited by budget, its limited to what (I) perceive as a properly built and designed frame and/or parts craftmanship.
After all i will be using these items for a few years in training and racing, and i like to make sure what i purchase is a reliable product and thats really where the true test comes in.
The final verdict after all this is basically to let you Lon know, that my preferences are really just mine, and my decisions work for me and i'm happy with them.
I was therefore not impressed with the trek products, and probably never will be, and now xd outs paint is peeling off his carbon trek as well, and he is NOT pleased.The worst part about this is that the main trek dealer in Miami i checked with, told me that trek will not warranty the cosmetic finish of its oclv frames. I take this is directly referring to paint or clear coating, so that only now leaves the carbon structure of the frameset thats actually covered,oh dont you just like a warranty like that.
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Its time to ride.
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Lon
sage
Reged: 12/20/03
Posts: 595
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Oh and by the way, the bikes US Postal ride are not the same that you can buy in the store, if you did look closly at the photos as posted in a leading european cycle magazine, they clearly show that the so called Trek CARBON bikes as used in the mountain stages of the TdF are really ALUMINUM framsets of some sort, disguised to look as carbon.
Your words above tell everyone all they need to know about you. It really makes one wonder.
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lets just get something straight in this forum right now,I can afford any bicycle or frameset that any company makes
That is fine with me...I'm happy for you. I'm thrilled you own 4 bikes...oh I do too...just sold the fifth to a friend who wanted a nice bike and didn't have much money. I wanted a "good home" for it. I don't think it matters or anyone on the forum cares how many bikes you or I have or what anyone can afford.
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I was therefore not impressed with the trek products, and probably never will be, and now xd outs paint is peeling off his carbon trek as well, and he is NOT pleased.The worst part about this is that the main trek dealer in Miami i checked with, told me that trek will not warranty the cosmetic finish of its oclv frames. I take this is directly referring to paint or clear coating, so that only now leaves the carbon structure of the frameset thats actually covered,oh dont you just like a warranty like that.
My comments were directed at your criticism of Trek's performance and had nothing to do with their finish. If I'm not mistaken few manufacturers warranty the finish. Carbon is notorious for not being the best surface for paint to adhere. Why you went off on that tangent is beyond me.
(I do know Calfee stood behind their finish when I had a problem with a 2 year old Calfee. They even took it to bare carbon so I could change the color of the finish.)
I don't even own a Trek and I don't have any plans to buy one. However to say the newest Trek OCLV frames cannot perform well because you once owned a 5500 is not a valid platform on which to stand. There are way too many people on this forum including Kahuna who would disagree with you. I have heard similar comments in many venues.
Nice to see you back Allan. Your comments seem to promote exchanges on the forum. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
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vaxn8r
contributor
Reged: 12/19/03
Posts: 222
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3 things....
1) IMO the OCLV is a tool for the job. Something along the lines of a Cannondale. Lots of performance. Fair finish. I honestly don't care for the the little "button" labels pressed into the newer Treks on the seat stays. I think they look cheap. I think Orbea does this too. Is that right Alan? Anyway, just something I think takes away from the beauty and flowing lines of a CF frameset.
2) Nothing wrong with the older OCLV Lon except for the pre-1997 had a rotten fork which was beefed up in 1997, I think, with a nice stiff Icon fork. That made a huge difference in how Treks handled and descended.
3) Lon, did Calfee truly get the old paint off the carbon without a trace of it left? For example could they have clear coated it without noticing the old paint? Did you get a price on them doing that?
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