Dave_Thompson
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Dave Kirk just received my frame from Joe Bell, and he posted these pics to me. I should have the frame on the road within the week.
http://www.bikefanclub.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=518&password=
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Daerider
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Hi Dave,
I'm in the process of ordering a custom frame from Dave with the Terraplane seatstay option. I'm very interested in what you think about the ride characteristics of the Terraplane seatstays and what differences you notice from the straight stays that you originally had on your bike. Any input that you can give me would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Damon Martin
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rnhood
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Boy, what a nice looking bike. Unique, understated, and reaking with craftsmanship. A simply beautiful machine by any measure.
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Dave_Thompson
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I've had two rides now on my Kirk with the 'Terraplane' seat stays.
First I have to say the Joe Bell paint job is absolutely outstanding! Glass, mirror smooth and any other superlatives that I can think of that relate to truly great workmanship.
Speaking of workmanship, Dave had to cut, remove or modify my seat lug and seat stays to refit the Terraplane stays. I couldn't tell where the original bike left off and the new bike began. The transition was seamless.
While I was waiting for Dave to modify my bike and have it repainted, I bought a Judd frameset and Litespeed Tuscany frameset. Judd was a small builder in Minnesota and built using the legendary Reynolds 531 tubing for his frames. 531 bikes are often thought of as some of the best riding bikes built. The reason I mention these two bikes is I have a very good comparison between the original Kirk, a 'traditional-built' frame, a modern Ti frame with reputed good ride qualities and the Terraplane.
The Kirk, in its' original form, was built to my needs for a comfortable, long-distance, stable bike. Its' specifications were drawn up after many conversations, e-mails and a personal visit and ride with Dave. It suited me perfectly from the get-go.
I built the Terraplane using all the same components and equipment that had been installed on the original Kirk. So nothing but the seat stays and the color had been changed. The first ride was a 20 mile shake-down 'cruise' to make sure that I had everything dialed in and set up properly. It was done in our local area over familiar roads, which here are rural farm chip-seal roads with abundant frost heaves and irregular surfaces. The thing that struck me immediately was that almost total lack of road noise or buzz. It was very smooth! Much, much better than the Litespeed and much better than the 531-built Judd. I was astonished to say the least, as I remembered the Kirk as being smooth but not like this. While I felt the bumps, the constant chip-seal "buzz" was almost gone. The sharp-edged bumps and jolts in the road seemed to be more muted than before and it felt better than the Litespeed over the same surfaces.
The second ride was a 90 mile ride on a Rails-To-Trails bike path, so I other than a few wows as the path crossed roads there were no revelations revealed. I haven't done any demon descents yet so I can't speak to that part of the handling characteristics yet, though the original Kirk has done some 40+mph downhills very well.
The Terraplane does feel subtly different than the original Kirk. Smoother as I said and the overall ride on our farm roads seems gentler, more compliant.
But my final analysis is that if the qualities of the bike had not changed, if I had noticed no differences at all, I would consider the money I spent to have the modifications and paint done, money very well spent. I think that the Terraplane curved seat stays are worth it to me for just the beauty of them alone. The Joe Bell paint job is delicious. My wife and I keep our bikes in the family room and I find myself running my hand across the top tube of the Kirk as I walk by. It's art. http://www.bikefanclub.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1430&password=&sort=1&cat=518&page=1
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Daerider
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Reged: 05/10/04
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Loc: Columbus, OH
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Dave, Thanks for your initial impressions and honest evaluation of the new stays. Dave Kirk started building my frame yesterday and I have already received a batch of pics from him. It should be ready for paint on Thursday! His turnaround time is amazing. I had Tom Kellogg of Spectrum Cycles build me a custom TiSuper last year that took 4 1/2 months from start to finish.
Take Care, Damon Martin
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Dave_Thompson
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Damon: What is Dave building for you? Have you chosen the color yet? For me I think that color choice was the hardest part, aside from the wait. My Kirk was my first custom-built frame and Dave made it very easy. He's a hell of a good guy to work with. He's the kind of guy that I would like to live next door to.
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Daerider
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I have to agree with you, Dave is a super nice guy to work with. He has been very easy to talk to and very open to my ideas about the frame design. This time around I was looking for a bike that I could spend very long days in the saddle (100+ miles) in total comfort without feeling excessively fatigued at the end of the day. Although the focus of the frame is toward a much more upright riding position that lends itself to multi-day supported touring events or perhaps even a cross country endeavor, I still wanted the bike to perform well on fast twisting descents and tight corners. I think we have come up with a design that blends all of the characteristics of the fully race ready Spectrum TiSuper that I had built for me last year and a Spectrum Steel frame built around 27" x 1 1/4" wheels and a long wheelbase with 45cm chainstays that makes a perfect loaded touring machine. I think the addition of the Terraplane seat stays are going to be the icing on the cake, even if only from an aesthetic perspective.
As with you, I am having an extremely hard time choosing paint color. I am almost at the point of taking Dave's suggestion of having Joe Bell just paint it for me in a color of his choosing. Hopefully by the end of this week I'll be able to nail down the color.
BTW - What color did you have your frame painted in this time? It is absolutely stunning.
Regards, Damon
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Dave_Thompson
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I don't know the color, but I described my color want as a 'deep Burgundy wine'. I don't know if Joe Bell or Dave picked the color, but it sure works for me!
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Daerider
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Well Dave, After anguishing over the paint details, in the end I just could not settle on a custom paint scheme that suited me. So I decided to have the frame and fork painted in a high gloss black (non-metallic) with a grey and white decal kit. Now comes the really hard part, the WAITING! Dave said that turn around time for Joe Bell paint is approx. 2-3 weeks, at least that will give me some time to get the rest of the parts together for the full assembly.
The pictures that I have received thus far are simply breathtaking, Dave is a true artist with the torch. I don't think I could have found a better builder for this frame. I have had custom frames built for me now from Spectrum/Merlin, Seven Cycles, and Franklin Frames, I can say without any hesitation that Dave has been the most enjoyable to work with. I'm not saying that the others were disappointing in anyway, because I'm splitting hairs here. Its just that Dave is so nice and easy to talk with, that I had no trouble at all conveying exactly what I was looking for in this frame. That combined with the fact that he is so willing to step outside the box, challenging the modern concepts of frame building without compromising the flowing lines of a perfectly handcrafted masterpiece, really sealed the deal for me. I will be sure to post some pics of the completed bike.
Take Care, Damon
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Dave_Thompson
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I was talking with Dave yesterday and your frame came up. He said that yours will be one of the sleekest and best looking of the Terraplanes built. Couple that with your color choice and it's going to be killer!! I've always liked the deep gloss black, it's classy and exciting all at once. I've had motorcycles painted that color and my new Volvo is all black.
The wait is the hardest part, but the pain is soooo exquisite!
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Daerider
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I decided to go with the smooth flowing look of fillet brazing on this frame to compliment the curving stays. Even the rear brake bridge, chainstay bridge, and water bottle bosses are fillet brazed without any reinforcing rings to interrupt the flow of the frame. The frame is quite stunning to look at even in its raw form. I find myself just starring at the damn thing incessantly, I suppose it doesn't help that I made it my desktop image! If your interested in the some of the raw build footage, just send me a message with your email and I'll send them out.
r Damon
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Dave_Thompson
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Damon: You should post the pics of your raw frame in the Kirk photo gallery so everyone can see!
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Daerider
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I have a few pics of the frame posted, what do you think?
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Dave_Thompson
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Damon: I'm posting from on the road (I'm somewhere on the Upper Neck in Virginia) and have only a short time to look at the pics, but dang it looks real good! I can hardly wait to see it dressed up and ready for the dance.
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M_A_Martin
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DArider: Congratulations on picking some paint color...I couldn't. I picked some out and then asked Dave to work it out. I keep looking in my mail box to see if my Kirk is here yet...no dice...I thought perhaps that your single color black frame would show up before my two color paint job, however, it sounds like they get painted in order of reciept. (My terraplane is on Dave's web site in the gallery under "Raw Frames")
Good luck waiting!
I hope I'm not driving Dave nuts calling and asking him where my bike is...or hinting that I'd like to know what color it is.
I guess it will get here when it gets here!
Take care, Ginger
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Dave_Thompson
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One when your Terraplane lands on your doorstep, and another when you unwrap it and the *color* is revealed.
You have mas cojones than I Ginger.
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Daerider
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Ginger, You are a brave soul! Dave had mentioned to me the option of having Joe Bell just paint it any color of his choosing, but I am just way too chicken. My frame was sent out for paint on May 20th, I am trying not to dwell on the wait but it is just eating at me. I am so ready to put this baby together and get out on the road. The weather has been just perfect here in Columbus for some nice long rides. I'm sure your paint will be fantastic, especially with the bold look of the webbed lugs. Please post some pics of your frame when you finally receive it.
Take Care, Damon
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M_A_Martin
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Damon, I think mine went to paint on May 5. I could check my emails to make sure.
Dave T. I wimped out...I asked Karin what color my bike was
 So I know now that it is blue and white!
My thought on not picking the colors too closely was that Joe Bell knows what looks good on a bike better than I do, and besides, if I were to buy any other frame, it would come a particular color that I didn't personally choose...so...I gave a few examples of what I liked... and the rest is history!
I'm hanging silver Campagnolo 10 speed components on it (I found a pair of new 2003 Chorus 10 speed shifters!) and Paul neo-retro and Paul touring canti brakes, and a Salsa Poco silver handlebar on it. I have a set of silver wheels for road, and a set of black wheels for cross tires...(campy hubs/mavic rims 32 spoke...boring, but very repairable)
My frame should be in my hands by the seventh...but I think that's with a bit quicker shipping 'cause its going on vacation with me and I'm leaving on the 9th. (I'm stopping at the Serotta open house...) I stopped by the bike shop today and put my bike in the lineup for the seventh...If they can't do it, I've got another wrench who will put it together for me. Yay!
Damon: The wait does get a bit long during week three...
I'll post pics when I see them!
Ginger
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Daerider
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Hi Ginger, It sounds like you are putting together a really sweet bike. You can never go wrong with Campy.
I've been slowly acquiring all components that I need to finish the final build. It will be a mix of 2004, 2003 and 2002 Campagnolo Record 10 components with a smidgeon of Ti thrown in for just a little more self indulgence. I thought all of the Ti components would really set off the Black. The Bars are Kestrel EMS Pro Carbon with silver and white decals and the saddle is a Fi'zi:k Gobi. the wheels initially will be a set of 2003 Campagnolo Neutrons, but I plan on building a set of Mavic Open Pros on Record 10sp Hubs this weekend. You know the ones I'm talking about, the real boring kind with 32 double-butted stainless steel spokes laced in a 3X pattern front and rear!
Parts breakdown:
2004 Record: Shifter/Brake Levers, Hubset, Cassette, Chain 2003 Record: Crankset, Front and Rear Derailleur 2002 Record: Dual-pivot Brakeset Ti Components: Phil Wood Ti Bottom Bracket, Chris King Ti Headset and Water Bottle cages, Custom Ti Stem and Seat Post
r Damon
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M_A_Martin
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Hey! Those boring wheels are what I ride all the time.
That setup may be boring, but if you break a spoke, it isn't such a big deal...you can still ride your bike and you don't even really need to limp... Last August I was 50 miles into an 80 mile club ride with a buddy of mine and we hear a "clunk" from his bike. "Hey Jim, I think you broke a spoke!" Sure enough, that's exactly what it was....on 16 spoke wheels. Talk about unrideable! Jim sat on the side of the road while I tracked down the sag vehicle on my boring, but true, 32 spoke Open Pro/Campy hubbed wheels.
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Daerider
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I agree whole heartedly. I would not even consider doing any long distance riding (especially unsupported) with anything less than a hand-built set of 32 14/15/14 DB SS spokes laced 3x. In fact my multi-day touring wheels are 36 spoke laced 3x.
Anyway, I just received word from DK that my frame is painted and on its way back to MT. I should have it next week!!!
Take Care
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Dave_Thompson
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Damon: How's the build going? When is it going to be complete? We want a complete ride report and pics!!
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M_A_Martin
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I had the Kirk out on a ride on Monday. Part way through the ride it started raining cats and dogs. We rode through grassy lots, up muddy clay hills, down gravel shoulders, and on wet slick pavement and the kirk handled it all flawlessly! My balance on the bike is excellent! My buddy on his cross bike got off and walked a lot of the stuff I was riding.
Did I mention I had Conintental Grand Prix 3000s on it at the time? (we were going to do a ROAD ride, not a cross ride!) The terraplane rear kept the back of the bike stuck to the ground like it was supposed to be! No spin outs even in the rain on the narrow tires. Yay!
Daemon, How's your bike coming along? Its very pretty, even in black
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Daerider
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Hi All, I will have a full ride report for you very soon. I want to log at least 300 miles on the frame and all varieties of terrain available to me in Ohio before I comment on it. All I have left to ride are the twisting high-speed descents of hocking hills which should be totally exhilarating based on my initial impressions! More to follow.....
Take Care, Damon
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Dave_Thompson
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M.A., did I ever tell you how damn good your bike looks?
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M_A_Martin
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Dave, you sound like me every time I call Mr. Kirk...
Did I mention that I love my new bike?
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