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Anyone riding, ridden, heard something on Six13?
#3056 - 05/20/04 08:46 PM (66.151.252.1)

Would love to hear thoughts, experience, hearsay. I'll be test riding one soon. Have to buy an exceptional road bike soon. Or I will die.

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Re: Anyone riding, ridden, heard something on Six13? new [Re: Nev]
#3060 - 05/20/04 10:47 PM (24.34.152.94)

One of the major bike mags did a full review last month - Cycling Plus I think - and loved it - 10 out of 10 if I recall correctly. Test out Cannondale's customer service - see if they can e-mail that article to you or your dealer.

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Re: Anyone riding, ridden, heard something on Six13? new [Re: Nev]
#3082 - 05/23/04 04:09 PM (66.205.8.130)

Cannondale the 'other' american manufacturer have blown the doors off of Trek with quality and finish as well as overall product in their aluminum bike range. Now comes the six 13 and its a blast,OCLV is history.

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Six/13 new [Re: Nev]
#3112 - 05/25/04 07:05 PM (68.200.102.76)

My son purchased one a few weeks ago and is thrilled with the performance. It's scary light. Some other guys we ride with tried the bike and all felt that it was a great ride. He's just getting back to biking and upgraded from a Trek 5200. I'll have him post a review here.

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Re: Six/13 new [Re: dollarbill]
#3124 - 05/26/04 03:06 AM (66.205.8.130)

I'm glad your son has purchased such a great bike as the six 13, and hope that he can post an unbiased view about how it rates against the Trek 5200 he previously owned.

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Re: Six/13 new [Re: Allan]
#3201 - 06/01/04 04:16 PM (24.26.126.185)

Hi,

I am DollarBill's son, so I guess since I'm a smaller version of him and voicing my opinions, you can call me "TwoCentsDavid."

First, let me state that I've been riding for a little over three years (with an 8 month hiatus while I endured the miserable winter of the North before recently moving to sunny Florida) and have been riding a USPS Trek 5200.

Before test riding the six13 I had my heart set on either a Trek Madone 5.9 or 5900 (with Project One cow spots paint scheme, against my father's wishes not to embarrass him on club rides). I love my 5200 and thought that instead of trying something different that I would stick with the OCLV. Why fix what is not broke when it comes to what one becomes comfortable with? Besides, the fact that almost half the riders in our club ride 5200s is a testament to the quality and durability of Trek. That said, I quickly became a convert to the dark side of co-molding.

Well, I met my father at a local bike shop and they had the only six13 in Florida on display, and my father said I HAD to test it. The bike Gods were with me that day since the bike was my size and it was completely speced out with full Campy Record, K-Wing bar, and the most comfortable seat my tush has ever had the pleasure to rest on, a Fizi:K Aireone.

The bike was displayed on a pedestal about 5 ft off the ground and using two hands to lift it to the floor, I lifted it so quickly I almost threw it across the room. To say that this bike is light would be an extreme understatement. The six13 fully speced is almost as light as some manufacturer's frame sets (slightly exaggerated, but the point is made)

Having never ridden with Campy components, it took a few mashes and grinds of the gears and chain before I got comfortable with shifting, but once I understood how it worked, I can honestly say that my opinion of the bike aside, I will never go back to Shimano. These components shift with absolutely zero skipping in cadence.

Now, on to the bike itself............

Let me begin by saying that I understand riding a new bike is 50% mental in the sense that if you believe you are ridding an exceptional bike, one tends to mentally ride differently. That said, I ride faster and harder. Although I need trainning with endurance, I can take off from a spinning of 18 mph like a kid borrowing his dad's Porsche at a green light. To test this, after riding the six13 almost every day for the past three weeks, I recently took my 5200 for a quick ride. There is a difference. I have become a stronger rider but notice that I need more energy to stay on par with the six13.

Hills, bridges and steady inclines have always been my bane, but with the six13 I've noticed a considerable difference in my climbs. Being clipped in, taking a steep incline I no longer have the feel of pulling weight underneath me. The best way to describe it is to say that it is like getting ready to pull myself up a hill with the expectation that I will need to exert extra energy to pull my bike, only to realize that there isn't any added weight. I have always felt the strain in my calves as I climb, but with the six13, as I pull my legs up, it is a feeling like there is nothing connected to my pedals.

This bike glides like it is on ice.

I was always of the belief that the person makes the ride and not the bike. Although it can be said that Lance could ride a Schwinn with a banana seat and still finish with a respectable time at Six Gap in Georgia. For the masses, I am now a new believer that the bike does make a difference.

The design and fabrication of the six13 frame is near flawless. One could run their hand along the frame and not find where the aluminum ends and the carbon fiber begins. I challenge anyone to do this without a CSI team. The paint and detail is some of, if not, the best I've seen. And this coming from a professional artist who scrutinizes anything artistic (and yes, I still believe the Project One cow spots to still be one of the most creative designs!)

I understand that component-wise, groupo, seat, bars, seat post, etc, anyone can build the same type of bike with a different frame, but in my opinion, for sheer speed and lightness, there is no equal. I understand that co-molding materials is the new wave and I am sure other manufacturers will soon hop on the bandwagon to make the lightest frame, but for me, I am a new convert in the sense that Cannondale argueably makes the cleanest, most professional frame. Serrota, De Rosa, and Trek fans would be hard pressed to not agree that Cannondale's frames are pieces of artwork in themselves.

And this from someone who still loves his reliable, albeit slightly ignored, Trek 5200.


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Re: Six/13 new [Re: sculpeyboy]
#3232 - 06/02/04 11:42 AM (66.205.8.130)

Hello TwoCentsDavid,
Well im very impressed by your unbiased view of how the bikes stack up against each other, although i had already figured you would obviously have a vertically challenging scenario comparision in the report somewhere.
So from reading what you said, its safe to say that in your opinion, the Trek 5200 makes you work harder on the inclines, and you also need to expend more energy output with the Trek just to stay up to the same speed as when riding the six13.
I also found this same scenario out too very early with my first Trek riding experiences, and was given a severe tongue lashing on forums here for saying so, but i'm not going to keep flogging a dead horse when i can afford to change a frameset that gives me a better ride and performance attitude.
Please bear in mind that i never changed anything else on my bike except the frame when i converted from the Trek, so i didnt use or add any gimmick stuff to favour the results. Actually when i made the frame swap i took out my Ksyrium SSC wheels and put in regular 36 spoke wheels, so that alone should make my results worse for the new frame.
Also when i took my first ride on the frameset that replaced my Trek one, i tried like you, to not focus on the fact it could be a better frame, and surely i would naturally go faster or climb better or whatever, but after my first ride, i was, i actually WAS riding faster everywhere with less effort, or could my speedo be suddenly fooling me.
An old advocate for years of the saying "train harder to go faster" with the bike being only as good as the rider is fine, but with the way technology is these days, there are new products coming out literally every week designed to assist you extract the best from your level of fitness,its the plain truth.
Like you too as well, climbing is not a strong point of mine, so ANYTHING that can help me climb better and faster,i'll try it once maybe even twice to see if it gives me an edge.
Can just a frameset actually do this?? well from my experience it can and will,if its designed correctly. For this to happen you need a frame thats literally got geometry designed to put the bike 'UNDER' you, and not around you, so when you 'gas it' in the hills, the frame responds immediately to all your pedal input and not take its sweet time to think about it.
I dont really care who makes the frameset, as long as its durable and performs properly with many attributes, a name on a down tube isnt good enough to get you over the finish line first, so brand devoted loyality for me is non-existent, but a high quality well thought out and properly engineered frameset is.
A very close friend of mine has a Postal version 5500 with almost identical parts on it as my bikes,ie Campy Record,with a few other bits, and his Trek is way heavier than any of my other bikes, funny thing here is that his bike is a 54cm c to t, and mine are all 60cms c to c in size,hmmmmmmmm.
However he's seen the light and is now well on his way to buying a Cannondale as soon as he can gather up the necessary funds, a few test rides have him severely smitten already.
His responses to me were "WOW,,, oh WOW its sooo light and so responsive, i just touch the pedals and its gone, i cant believe it" and look at the quality of finish, my 5500 looks so cheap,i've got to get one of these soon.
Thanks again for taking the time to send in your review to share with us on this forum, and while i'm sure your idea for the Project One cow spots might somehow "look good", for now i'd hold the mayo on that thought, if not your Dad will disown you.

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Re: Six/13 new [Re: Allan]
#3278 - 06/04/04 01:43 AM (24.20.199.16)

Well, I rode the six-13 today. Not very far but far enough to have a huge, huge grin from ear to ear.

I don't think anyone should test ride this bike unless you are really serious about buying it because I gaurantee you're going to want one. Everything these guys said is true: light, stiff, responsive, fast, handles well. This is a very nice bike!

Downside: It may not last forever but who cares? Is that really the purpose of this thing? I have several bikes which will probably last forever....too bad I don't enjoy riding them that much any more. A 1992 Litespeed comes to mind. Graphics: kind of Trekky. Doesn't float my boat but they aren't bad. You just don't get a choice. Finally, I know the reason for the double head tube badge but it's still geeky.


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Re: Six/13 new [Re: vaxn8r]
#3281 - 06/04/04 03:40 PM (66.205.8.130)

Vaxn8r i'm impressed with your report of the Six13, you gave it top marks, its really a superb bike(frameset)isnt it.
Thank goodness the folks at Cannondale did their homework with this product and are offering the six13 in either Campy Record or Shimano D/A. This takes the hassle out of purchasing a bike and then having to strip off a gruppo you dont use to put on another one, ie the old Campy versus Shimano preference.
They also put the bikes on the website with the colours and choices equal between the two gruppos, so favouritism for one colour to a particular gruppo is a non issue as well.
As you are well aware, if you invest a lot of money into SPECIAL or super durable bike stuff and hardly ever use it, then you cant ever really enjoy it now can you, its better for you to use it or just sell it and move on. After all, as you confessed its really all about the smile factor that keeps us happy.

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MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: Allan]
#3292 - 06/04/04 10:41 PM (24.34.152.94)

I see what they list in the Cycling Plus article, but what are U.S. dealers charging for this bike?

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: 1centaur]
#3294 - 06/04/04 11:40 PM (66.205.8.130)

I imagine that the laws of supply and demand will dictate some price gouging,however dealers will naturally have some slight variations in price too.
This is only obvious as some colours are going to be hot sellers while others will sell just ok, this is when shopping around and the ability of your LBS to secure for you a good competitive price.
Most Cannondale stores will require a deposit before your order is sent out, and the waiting period has been holding fairly steady at about 2 weeks from order date.

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: Allan]
#3295 - 06/05/04 12:27 AM (24.34.152.94)

I found the MSRPs - $5,800 for the Campy; $4,400 for the Dura Ace - seems like the Campy-version is way overpriced if the only difference is the Campy and the wheels (Kysirium SL on the Campy; Dura-Ace on the DA). Any word when the company will sell frame only?

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: 1centaur]
#3296 - 06/05/04 02:10 AM (66.205.8.130)

Now now 1centaur, you know how flexible the MSRP can be, it is only put there by the manufacturer as, well a suggestion.
However i'm sure that you might be able to find a few good price deals at various bike shops around your area, especially after all the sales hype has cooled off, AND for you to get these deals you will have to be patient.
As far as i know, the framesets are not in the 'available separately' stock list yet, but according to the amounts of repeated requests by customers and the availability of sufficient sizes from factory stock, the pressure will be on to make this a reality quite soon.
I'd expect that you will soon see the factory adding this "frameset available separately" to their catalogue as an 05' item, along with some colour changes and decal graphics .

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Test Rode a Six13 new [Re: Allan]
#3300 - 06/05/04 06:33 PM (24.34.152.94)

My size and color (red). About an hour in the saddle.

Campy Record version. Impressions: Nice light bike, climbs, accelerates and descends well, looks good. Comfort was exactly what you'd expect - not as much vibration damping as my Tetra or the OCLV I tested, though somewhat closer to the Orca; a little more comfortable than my Klein, but still essentially metallic at its core. Note that the stock bike has carbon bars (FSA k-wing - not impressed), FSA carbon stem and USE carbon post, so there's max CF damping in the set-up, except for Kysirium SL wheels, which revealed every little pebble but were plainly efficient and light feeling vs. the Neutrons I usually ride.

Very nice out of the saddle, did not appear to be frame flex though there were occasional noises that could have been seatpost or seat rails or classic mild Campy chain rub. Could go hands free fairly easily for an unfamilar bike, though it does not have the super stability of a Colnago (compare trail to see why). Its lightness left me very fresh after an hour in the saddle (which followed an hour's ride to get to the LBS). Acceleration in the flats was very good.

Bottom line: There's a smoothness and quality-feel to my Tetra which makes it a better allrounder and possibly, though not certainly, a better century bike. Metal bikes transmit every little vibration of every component or interaction to the body and the ear in a way that I interpret as cheap because it's greater than with good CF. A completely silent bike is my highest aspiration when considering bike quality, and I did not get that on this ride nor could I fully diagnose all noises in such a short period.

However, this was not a loud bike and was at times a silent bike. It's climbing ability made me go "ooh;" its descending ability made me smile, and its acceleration made me think it would be my fastest bike, my pick to race (if I was a racer) or to test my TT speed on for fun. If I was heading out the door primarily to climb without pain I'd be choosing between this and the Orca, with not much to separate them after just a few miles on the Six13. I don't think it's truly worth the money for the Record version (price diff. vs. DA reflects wheels, Campy, and 'Dale's superexpensive crank), but I also think there's nothing quite like it in my stable or that I have heard about.

I might get it, after swapping out some parts that did not work for me.

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Re: Test Rode a Six13 new [Re: 1centaur]
#3368 - 06/10/04 11:15 PM (66.205.8.130)

As always there is something on a bike you buy complete, that you dont like or wouldn't care for. Personally i have never bought a bike from a store complete to ride, i have always bought frames and built them myself from the ground up, this way of course i can literally control my choice of every item.
This time for sure the Six/13 is almost perfect for the parts you get, except for a few items i also could not care for either.The stem, the seatpost, the saddle and the bars would all leave in a hurry, even before i rode it.
However for the general public the combination of total package that Cannondale chose is not bad at all.
I agree totally that the Record version is definately quite a bit higher in price versus the D/A version, but that expensive hollowgram crank also pushes the price up as well. Maybe when the frames are available separately, you will begin to see a lot more around you on the rides.

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: Allan]
#3471 - 06/21/04 08:51 PM (64.80.26.66)

2 Weeks? I've been waiting for 2 months for a 60 cm Record version. From what I hear they're seriously backordered. Are you all seeing delivery times faster than 2 months?

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: AvastThar]
#3475 - 06/22/04 10:13 AM (24.34.152.94)

Seems to vary by model and size. Cannondale told my LBS the 57 DA version they hope to be shipping (in general) around July 21. I get the impression they are ramping up by gear and size to get the popular ones out the door fast - tougher sizes (like 60) I can imagine coming whenever.

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: 1centaur]
#3477 - 06/22/04 06:32 PM (64.80.26.66)

That's what I've heard too. It's a conspiracy against tall bike riders I tell ya! Hey Cannondale, Legalize my height!

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: AvastThar]
#3488 - 06/24/04 02:43 AM (67.118.29.45)

I just ordered one with D/A and was told by Cannondale that there would be a shipment on the 26th of July then another one on the 2nd of August in all colors and sizes. I test rode one for a short period and was very impressed, this will be my first venture into the carbon world, I'm currently riding a Scandium Felt with the same Ksyriums so it will be nice to do a fair comparison on the two materials. My Felt weighs in at just under 17lbs and I think the D/A version may be slightly lighter. Does anyone know the weight on the D/A version in a 56cm?
I can't wait and I'll post my opinion as soon as I get it!


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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: Gearhead]
#3500 - 06/25/04 01:24 AM (24.20.199.16)

Well, I weighed a frameset in the shop without fork at 2lbs 13 oz. I have a 56 Calfee with frame weight of 2-8 (full DA including wheels and pedals). So I'm guessing with full DA, the C-Dale would come in around 17 to 17.25 depending on other components.

My lbs has a 56 built up now with DA and Ksyrium SSC. I'll call them tomorrow to get an exact weight. One thing about the C-Dale, that fork is so light! Even the dropouts are CF!


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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: vaxn8r]
#3502 - 06/25/04 01:45 PM (64.80.26.66)

What's the name of your lbs and where are they located?

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: AvastThar]
#3510 - 06/26/04 02:41 AM (24.20.199.16)

Sorry for you....Hutch's in Eugene, OR

I had no time to call today but I'll try to get a weight on the 56 for you.


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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: vaxn8r]
#3521 - 06/28/04 02:46 PM (64.80.26.66)

HA, well thanks anyway - I'm in New Hampshire - Eugene would be a bit of a hike to see a Six13. Anyone have any Six13 sightings in NH, VT, or MA?

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: AvastThar]
#3522 - 06/28/04 04:32 PM (65.196.54.199)

The one I tested was at Bay Road Bikes in Hamilton, Mass. I have seen none on the road.

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: Gearhead]
#3524 - 06/29/04 05:11 PM (65.196.54.199)

Just got surprised on delivery time - my July 21 ship date just turned into June 29. Guess I know what I'm riding in the Tour

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: 1centaur]
#3527 - 06/30/04 02:53 PM (64.80.26.66)

You probably won't get this as I imagine you'll be out riding for a few days but - Did you get Record, or DA? Can you post a picture?

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: AvastThar]
#3529 - 06/30/04 05:14 PM (65.196.54.199)

DA, and since I posted all my other bikes on this site a couple of weeks ago, the odds are good this one will join them shortly.

Ah, what a weekend, Tour de France, riding a new bike, three-day weekend.

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: 1centaur]
#3530 - 06/30/04 07:34 PM (64.80.26.66)

When did you order it? I ordered mine in Late April and my LBS still can't get a confirmed ship date -

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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: AvastThar]
#3552 - 07/02/04 06:33 AM (67.112.219.4)

X-mas in July!!! My bike came today after I was told it would be late July or early Aug. Go figure... I ordered the DA but will be swapping out the wheels for the Kysriums SL's. I post my thoughts after I get it built and ride it this weekend. If you want a unique color, go for the orange. It's the color of a new shiny penny, but has a metallic flake in the paint that makes it brilliant in the sunlight. The headbadge on mine is aluminium, not the carbon I saw at another shop. curious...

If your ok with not supporting the LBS, you can pick up a Six13 at some of the REI's across the US. I work for REI and did a search and here is what I came up with.
Only RED.
55cm Denver
56cm Seattle, Atlanta, Baileys Crossroads VA
57cm Berkeley


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Re: MSRP on the Six13? new [Re: Gearhead]
#3584 - 07/05/04 11:54 PM (206.81.222.24)

My DA 56cm with Speedplays and carbon cages is weighing in at 16.5lbs, not too bad...

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