CPP
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Reged: 12/26/03
Posts: 35
Loc: Arbaz, Switzerland
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Has anyone used a 10 speed set up with a 9 speed chain? Will it work??
Thanks
CP
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OldBones
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Reged: 01/30/04
Posts: 17
Loc: NJ
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I don't believe that the Campy 9 speed chain works well with Campy 10 speed, but Zinn at velonews claims that Shimano 9 speed is adequate for Campy 10 speed drives:
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/5233.1.html
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glaucman
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Reged: 12/19/03
Posts: 8
Loc: Germantown, TN
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The width of the chain is the limiting variable. Note that all Campag 10s chains are 6.1mm wide. Also the Wipperman Connex 10 for Campag measures >6.35mm and can be noisy as a result.
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danK
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Reged: 01/22/04
Posts: 12
Loc: eyeduho
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My Wipperman Connex 10 is as quiet as anything I've ever owned and shifts perfectly.
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OldBones
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Reged: 01/30/04
Posts: 17
Loc: NJ
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How's the lifespan of a Connex link. I've heard rumblings that they have a shorter lifespan than Campy or Wippermann chains. Do you have a regular replacement schedule?
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danK
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Reged: 01/22/04
Posts: 12
Loc: eyeduho
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No, just keep it clean and lubed. I have a big stash of Connex links locally should the need arise, but I was told the Wippermann-made Connex could go 60,000 miles if I was fastidious with the maintenance. While I think 60k is an exaggeration, everyone I speak to about it says it's the 'best' chain they've come across (for what that's worth).
All my mtb buds love Wippermann chains on their dirt rigs.
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Kahuna
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Reged: 12/11/03
Posts: 162
Loc: Maui, Hawaii
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I've had very good experiences using the SuperLink III master link available from Lickton's.
The service life seems good. I've put thousands of miles on them without a problem.
-K
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glaucman
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Reged: 12/19/03
Posts: 8
Loc: Germantown, TN
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The SuperLinkIII is an excellent product as Kahuna mentions. With this product you can use the 6.1mm wide Campag 10s chain and have the advantage of easy removal. In my opinion the best of both worlds.
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Bobby
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Reged: 12/28/03
Posts: 5
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Hello Glaucman,
The Wipperman Connex Chain website says that their 10-speed chain is 6.2 mm wide, which is a negligible difference (0.004") compared to the Campag 10s chain.
May I ask please, where did you come up with your width of >6.35 mm ?
Thanks!
Bob
Ref: http://www.connexchain.com
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glaucman
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Reged: 12/19/03
Posts: 8
Loc: Germantown, TN
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Bobby:
Last year I changed out my Campag chain for a Wippermann Stainless on my Record steel/Ti cassette (12x25). All was well until about 1200 miles into this combo when the drive train became very noisy in the 25-23-21 rear cog regardless of the chainring used. When you would stand on the pedals extreme noise came from the rear cassette. This cassette had 6000 miles on it so I swapped out the rear wheel/cassette with one that only had 500 miles on it. The noise was the same. In addition I rarely use the 25 cog and only on occasion use the 23. The chain measured 0.5% on the Park Chain Checker and therefore not outside of normal wear tolerance. So I replaced the chain with a Campag 10s/Superlink III combo and the noise was history on both wheelsets.
Now to answer your question I was curious and used a micrometer (metric) and measured the chain width at the pin. It measured 6.35 to 6.36mm and the Campag chain measured 6.1mm. It seems the extra width caused the noise by contact between the outside plate of the chain and the cogset in the lower gears. I was aware of the Connex specs and was surprised at those measurements as well. Hence I repeated them several times.
To date I have about 500 miles on this configuration and the drivetrain is silent.
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mkg
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Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 17
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I totally disagree with the thought that the D/A 9 speed chain will work with the Campy 10 setup. I have '04 Record on my bike including the cassette. There is less than 1500 miles on the group. I like to change my chain frequently and keep the cogs running like new. I jumped at the idea that a (much less expensive) 9 speed D/A chain would work. I ordered a D/A 9 speed chain from my preferred online retailer and threw it on the bike this evening. No way. The chain was binding between the cogs on every possible cog. This wasn't enough to keep the chain from settling completely on to the cog but I could see where the chain was bending downwards as it came off the cog until chain tension pulled it straight under no load at all. I was doing this on the workstand; the visual and noise was more than enough to not put the bike on the trainer and try the chain with "real" pressure on the drive train. In addition to the noise the bike would not shift well either, it kept wanting to jump up a cog. Altering the starting point with the rear derailleur set screws and adjusting cable tension did not help. Sometimes you just have to believe the manufacture when they say to use to use their parts.
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BadgeJohn
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Reged: 04/01/04
Posts: 14
Loc: PA, USA
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Now a no brainer question, but obviously have no brain or I wouldn't need to ask. For a non-race how often should you change your Campy 10 chain? I have probably 1400 miles on the chain I have now (1012 on the road and about 300-400 on the trainer) I clean and lube my chain at least after every other ride, and use Pro link as my lube. Thanks for the info, I would have to be 30 miles from home and have the chain break. 
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Allan
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Reged: 05/04/04
Posts: 198
Loc: Bds,W I
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Having used a lot of various top quality chains over the years, i was impressed by the visual quality of the wipperman stainless 10 speed connex chain and hoped it would live up to what i saw as a quality product. Well to be honest i was really hoping to avoid using the problematic system of recent with most 10 speed chains that are not supposed to be opened and closed without the special link ritual,so a chain with a reusable link seemed right up my alley.
I like to remove my chain after a few rides and clean it throughly, this procedure of cleaning and re lubing has worked for me for years and allowed all my previous chains to live long and fruitful lives,so i was very amazed to find that after only a few rides my wipperman had started to stretch.
After only a few hundred miles it was starting to be easily pulled away from the teeth on the frontal portion of the 53 plate, and showing as high riding wear on the teeth;and compared to a used 10 speed record chain with about 500 miles on it, laid next to one another, the wipperman was getting longer.
I was therefore forced to remove it and think seriously about what really happened here, im not sure how to sum this one up but it definately wore out before 1000 miles, and i'm not wishing to try another one,however the connex link works great on the Campy 10 speed. 
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Its time to ride.
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dollarbill
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Reged: 12/18/03
Posts: 6
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I don't know if anyone else has expereinced this problem with the Wippermann 10 speed chain but, I have a Serotta Ottrott with Record and I decided to replace the Campy chain with a Wippermann. Bad idea for me! When the chain was scheduled to be replaced (approx 1800 miles), the cassette (record) had to be replaced. At first I thought that the cassette had worn out (it had about 5,000 miles or so). I replaced it with a Chorus because it was the only one available at that time in the bike store where I work. Well, less than 2000 miles later, when I replaced the chain as part of normal maintenance, the cassette had to be replaced again. That was enough for me! I will use only Campy chains. They are a bit noiser than the Wippermann but, I have not had any problems since then.
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Allan
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Reged: 05/04/04
Posts: 198
Loc: Bds,W I
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Dollarbill i know this is sacriledge to Campy owners but a D/A chain works better on the Campy 10 speed setup, not because its a ShimaNO product, but basically because its a little thinner than the C10.
Therefore i found it shifts cleaner and its quieter as well,durability might show up to be a bit less than the Campy chain dependingly on what type of terrain you ride on.
The plus here is that the D/A chain is also cheaper anyway,so use it and replace it accordingly as the miles wear on.
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Its time to ride.
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dollarbill
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Reged: 12/18/03
Posts: 6
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I believe what you are saying and thank you for the advice. The folks that work in the service department of the bike shop that I work in say the same thing. But, I will wait for a few months before trying the Shimano chain. Twice bitten....
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Allan
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Reged: 05/04/04
Posts: 198
Loc: Bds,W I
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Actually i had my first Campy C10 wear out after about 2200 miles, if you look in my previous posts here you will see the reason i knew it went south was the clattering that it started making due to the rollers slopping about.
I put on the D/A chain as an experiment to see the shifting and life span versus the C10, and so far it appears to be a bit weak on the life side, i can already see that i'll only get around 1200 to 1500 miles out of it at most, but its very strong on the shifting side, so there is a trade off here as well.
If we could only get Campy to narrow up the C10 to the width of the D/A 10 it would be a superb product.
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Its time to ride.
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vaxn8r
contributor
Reged: 12/19/03
Posts: 222
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I suspect if Campy narrowed their chain it would then have the same lifespan as the Shimano chain...about 1,500-1,800 miles.
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Allan
journeyman
Reged: 05/04/04
Posts: 198
Loc: Bds,W I
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Actually the proposed slightly thinner Campy C10 i spoke of would still give you about 2000 miles.
Remember Vaxn8r the very slight reduction i speak of is for the overall width, not in reducing the thickness and strength of the side link plates where the majority of the stretching takes place.
Therefore by fitting some thinner rollers and link pins should make it about the same width as Shimanos 10 speed offering, while still allowing it to have the same durability as the present C10.
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Its time to ride.
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BlueJays
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Reged: 09/21/07
Posts: 69
Loc: United States
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Between having Campagnolo cranks, Campagnolo cassette, Campagnolo derailleurs, having a Campagnolo chain makes the most sense from a reliability/compatibility perspective. Other solutions might save a few bucks, but at that point we're not talking about too much when plotted over the lifetime of the bicycle...
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