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Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new
#3774 - 07/24/04 05:12 PM (66.32.133.177)

Per Velonews:
When Italian Filippo Simeoni (Domina Vacanze) in 14th place and over 20 minutes, back leapt the gap to catch the break of 6 cyclists, not one of which could have any effect on any individual jersey or team prize, Armstrong followed.

One of the six nobodies Spaniard Vicente Garcia-Acosta (Illes Baleares) spoke to Armstrong, asking him to do the breakaway a favor and leave them to fight for the stage victory.

Armstrong accepted, but only if Simeoni left the break as well.

The break then told Simeoni to leave, according to Sebastien Joly (Crédit Agricole).

From OLN--some stern words from others in the escape prompted Filippo Simeoni to succumb to Lance’s wishes

We all knew that proper deals are made in a bike race, but it is deals of co-operation not deals eliminating a rider from the competition or candid deals to allow the peloton to take the day off.
The latter are impliedly made, once I even recollect 3/4s of the entire peloton including Lance going so slow that the TdeF organizers had to change the elimination time in order to keep the stars including Lance in the race.


Could you imagine what would be the outcry if a player on losing team in a lopsided NFL championship game told the press afterwards that they cut a deal in the fourth not to sack the opposing quarterback if he promised not to throw completions.


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Another view from Active .com new [Re: garygromet]
#3779 - 07/24/04 08:13 PM (12.42.140.2)

Armstrong lays down law in Tour de France in dispute over doping testimony
By John Leicester
Associated Press
7/23/2004


Robert Laberge/Getty Images
Lance Armstrong has words with Filippo Simeoni after chasing him down during stage 18

LONS-LE-SAUNIER, France (AP) -- When Lance Armstrong lays down the law in the Tour de France, others riders sometimes have no choice but to obey. Just ask Filippo Simeoni.

The Italian, who is involved in a legal battle with the five-time champion, sought Friday to speed ahead of the pack on the Tour's 18th stage. Armstrong's reaction was unequivocal: No way.

Even though Simeoni is way down in the overall standings and cannot threaten Armstrong's march to a record sixth Tour victory, the Texan chased after him.

Their animosity relates to Simeoni's testimony against sports doctor Michele Ferrari, with whom Armstrong has ties. Ferrari faces allegations of providing performance enhancers to riders and in 2002, Simeoni told an Italian court that Ferrari advised him to take drugs.

Ferrari has testified that he never prescribed or administered banned substances.

The result at this Tour is bad blood between Armstrong and Simeoni.

"All he wants to do is destroy cycling and destroy the sport that pays him, and that's wrong," the Texan said Friday after his extraordinary move to rein in Simeoni.

The Italian was trying to catch a group of six riders who, in an effort to win, had escaped from the main pack early in the stage through eastern France.

Armstrong went tearing after him. They caught the escape group, only for riders there to tell Simeoni he was not welcome. They knew that their chances of winning the stage were nil if Armstrong kept with them. Simeoni eventually demurred, breaking off his attack and returning to the main pack -- with Armstrong.

"Armstrong demonstrated to the entire world what type of person he is," said Simeoni. "It is not reasonable that a great champion doesn't give a chance to a small rider like me and the others ... I suffered an injustice from him while everyone was watching."

Juan Miguel Mercado, who was part of the escape group Simeoni wanted to join, went on to win, beating fellow Spaniard Vicente Garcia Acosta in a sprint at the finish at Lons-Le-Saunier.

Simeoni could only rue what might have been.

"I felt very, very good and I made a great move to get to the front," he said. But he added: "When I understood that Armstrong would stay there because I was there, out of respect for the other riders I sat up and went back."

That Armstrong felt the need to spike Simeoni's effort showed both the depth of his anger at the Italian and that he is feeling so confident about a sixth Tour that he can afford to take his mind off the race momentarily.

Armstrong said other riders congratulated him when he brought Simeoni back to the main pack.

"Everybody understood that this is their job and they absolutely love it and they're committed to it and they don't want somebody within their sport destroying it," he said. "He's not a rider who thinks about other riders and the group in general. So ... when I came back I had a lot of riders patting me on the back and saying 'Thank you.'"

In a newspaper interview earlier this Tour, Simeoni defended his testimony against Ferrari and said that Armstrong was giving him the cold shoulder. He also said that Armstrong has called him a liar and that because of that he is suing him for libel.

"In the morning I look for him, I ride up to him, but he is cold, detached. He acts as if I don't exist," Simeoni told the French sports daily L'Equipe.

Sebastien Joly, a French rider who was in the escape group, said they asked Simeoni to leave them.

"When he let go, Lance had the kindness to do the same thing," he said. "I think it was a reaction of pride on Armstrong's part."

"It was bizarre, really strange," added Mercado.


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Re: Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new [Re: garygromet]
#3783 - 07/25/04 06:28 AM (66.80.63.95)

Hey Gary!

Would you please change the size of your photo (or use another smaller photo) of you and your tandem team. The photo you have linked is 439KB (HUGE!) and takes quite a while to load and it is loaded everytime the page is refreshed.

...us poor 'ol dial up folks would greatly appreciate it!
TIA.

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Re: Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new [Re: skuke]
#3788 - 07/26/04 09:28 AM (152.163.252.167)

I think the word "fixed" is a bit harsh. Maybe "influenced" is the best way to desribe the events of that day. Actually, it led to some entertainment other than Lance domintating the entire race. Of course, that was not boring it was damn wonderful.

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Re: Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new [Re: garygromet]
#3794 - 07/26/04 06:59 PM (216.105.105.38)

Part of bicycle racing is tactics. Armstrong knew he could screw Simeoni and keep him from a victory and did so. I don't see a problem with that. Simeoni sounds like a jerk anyway. If the yellow jersey says don't do something, you don't do it, period. I remember once LeMond hunted down a rider who tried to breakaway during a feed zone. It is not done, the rider was essentially cheating and LeMond put a stop to it.

How it this different than walking a runner in baseball. It is not, merely a tactic that Armstrong executed perfectly.


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Re: Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new [Re: Bruce]
#3805 - 07/28/04 05:04 AM (67.161.44.203)

Simeeoni is a jerk becuase he is willing to testify that Ferrari advized him to use performance enhancing drugs? Can you explain that to me?

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Re: Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new [Re: seanm]
#3806 - 07/28/04 05:27 AM (66.80.63.95)

Quote:

seanm wrote:
Simeeoni is a jerk becuase he is willing to testify that Ferrari advized him to use performance enhancing drugs? Can you explain that to me?




Simeoni qualifies as a jerk because after a successful attack in the Vuelta, he stopped short of the finish line to pose. He then walked across the line pushing his bike for the stage win.

Celebrating at the line is fine and accepted, but IMHO, "rubbing" the win in his peer's noses is, well, crossing the line.

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Walking across finish line was a 9/11 protest new [Re: skuke]
#3811 - 07/28/04 03:38 PM (66.32.128.20)

Daily Peloton says he walked to protest the 9/11 attack.



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Re: Cyclists admit 18th stage of TdeF was fixed new [Re: easypedaler]
#3812 - 07/28/04 03:44 PM (66.32.128.20)

Things only got worse on the final day. With a sense of passion for cycling that some of Armstrong’s more famous rivals would do well to note, Simeoni attacked, and attacked and attacked.

The organisers of the Tour de France ASO kept to their eternal policy of “no man is bigger than the Tour” and on the final stage gave Armstrong his sixth (and record) yellow jersey, and the combativity award to Simeoni.

Velonews reports "Italian authorities are now considering whether to open legal proceedings against Armstrong "for sporting fraud, violence and intimidation of a witness."

I guess there are tactics and then there are antics.


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Re: Walking across finish line was a 9/11 protest new [Re: garygromet]
#3813 - 07/28/04 10:28 PM (66.80.63.95)

Quote:

garygromet wrote:
Daily Peloton says he walked to protest the 9/11 attack.






While I agree with Simeoni's thoughtful gesture for the victims of 9/11, I certainly don't understand how his actions are even remotely symbolic. How is "wiggling" your legs in the air as you coast to the line, raising your bike over your head and walking across the line supposed to be showing respect to the victims? ...or the peloton?

Simeoni said if he wins his court case against Armstrong, he'll donate the money to charity. Perhaps it will be to the 9/11 victims/firefighters/police... fund(s).

BTW Gary, Thanks for "editing" your tandem photo! I appreciate it!

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Re: Walking across finish line was a 9/11 protest [Re: skuke]
#3818 - 07/29/04 05:21 PM (69.47.46.152)

Agreed Skuke...how in the world anyone could see that as respectful and a tribute is beyond me.

I would also add to the Simeoni is a jerk bit by saying he is a pretty unpopular guy in the peleton for a reason and the guy merits Lance's personal ire since he's suing Lance personally for libel after Lance called him out as a liar. Suing a rival over namecalling??? Please is he lobbying for skirts as part of the new team requirements as well? What a....bah!

Screw Simeoni, he messed with the bull and he got the horns...he can cry a river as far as I'm concerned.

As to the cheating baloney...since when is it illegal to shadow and torpedo another riders shot in a given stage? Teams do it systematically all the time. If he was a guy who was an overall or points jersey threat no one would be saying a thing about it. This is a non story in terms of cheating. In fact, no offense but, what an idiotic implication.

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