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Sydney
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Couplings
#4581 - 11/12/04 08:37 PM (129.21.58.204)

Does anyone have a Calfee with S & S Couplings? I was planning on getting a Ti travel bike with S & S Couplings. But after test-riding a carbon fiber bike and a Ti bike this past weekend, I really want a carbon fiber bike! I can only afford one bike, and Calfee Design will put couplings in the Tetra. Does anyone have couplings in their bike?

BTW - my current bike is an old aluminum model.

Thanks!
Sydney


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Blastinbob
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4585 - 11/13/04 04:37 AM (66.214.21.38)

Jay Torborg from the Serotta forum has a concours with s&s couplers, from all that I read about them they have no effect on ride quality or frame flex what so ever.

Bob

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Blastinbob
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Blastinbob]
#4586 - 11/13/04 04:41 AM (66.214.21.38)

If you're tall with very short reach there has been a 2003 legend ti (frame only) with couplers on ebay for a couple of weeks now for $900, it just has funky geometry so it hasn't sold, too bad for them.

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Lon
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4596 - 11/14/04 03:31 PM (12.76.106.121)

Go back to the original phorum and do a search under S & S. You might have to fool around with your search terms.

There were a huge number of posts under this as more people hung out then and several had Calfee's with them. If I recall one guy went all over Europe with it on his back when he wasn't riding. I remember everybody who had them loved them.

I'd also call Craig. Unlike other bike companies he answers his phone and he is fairly easy to get. He is great to talk with and learn from.

Good luck. I love CF and in particular Calfee. I have two.


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Sydney
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Lon]
#4607 - 11/15/04 11:05 AM (165.170.128.65)

Thanks for the advice Lon. Before posting my question, I did a search on "couplings" and "couplers". I will try searching on "S & S" now.

Sydney


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Lon
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4609 - 11/15/04 03:04 PM (68.233.219.25)

Let me know. Remember to do the old phorum and not this one. There are archives on it. This one never had anything as far I can remember. Let me know if you can't find it. It has to be there.

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Jeff
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4612 - 11/15/04 04:06 PM (66.55.7.44)

I do not have a Calfee with S&S couplers but have had 2 mountain bikes with them and can say that they never gave me any issues and you could not tell that they were there. Much better option than a Bike Friday (or similar) in my opinion. My only reservations about them was using them on a high end bike period. I never liked the idea of putting a $5k - $8k bike in the hands of the airlines or UPS period. So I have a good but not great (Salsa) mountain bike I use when I travel. If it gets damaged, lost or stolen it is not a crisis.

Edited by Jeff (11/15/04 04:08 PM)


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CalfeeDealer
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4629 - 11/17/04 11:02 PM (199.45.160.37)

If you want to take your Calfee with you on a trip, the ti couplers are the only way to fly. Calfee only does the couplers on the Tetra Tandem or single. In fact, most of the Calfee tandems we sell have couplers. My wife has a single tetra with couplers.
The only downside is the little bit of wieght added by the couplers. The upside is having a real bike that you can take with you and not deal with the hassles of oversize luggage.
The couplers are invisible while riding the bike. If you ride a bike with couplers and one without, you won't be able to tell the difference.
We have pictures in the Calfee section of our website.
Patrick Gibbons

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ldlide
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4650 - 11/20/04 01:30 AM (65.4.64.15)

I have a translucent blue Luna Pro, 54 cm, with S&S Couplers. I bought it after lugging a Tricosports Iron Case through a couple of airports, paying through the nose to put it on the plane, and squeezing it into the back seat of a "midsize" rental car. I've flown the Luna to Hellweek in Fredericksburg TX and have taken it to California for the Markleeville Deathride. It's easier to roll the S&S hardcase than to tote my regular suitcase. I loved my Trek 5200 and wanted, and got, the same ride in a travel bike. I'm very happy with it, but there were a few surprises. First, it takes about a hour to pack the bike (Can't imagine packing a beautiful Calfee without padding it, can you?). With my size frame, I have to take off the cassette to avoid having it possibly damage the downtube, or I have to remove the fork from the front triangle. I have packed it slightly differently each time I've travelled, have gotten faster at packing, and I am learning which padding is needed and which is not. (There are lots of ways to pack coupled bikes.) Second, you'll have to pad the frame over the cable couplers, or they'll be buzzing against the frame with every bump. I've used small stick-on pads, which may have been helmet pads originally. Third, I got water in the frame when riding in the rain. Water ran into the downtube and could have gotten into the bottom bracket if I hadn't realized it was there and dumped it. Since then, I've cut 4 inch sections of mountain bike inner tube and slid one over each coupler. These fit tightly around the tubes and seal water out, but they don't look as good as the exposed couplers. (They do look better than the electrical tape I once tried, and they provide a little padding for the cable couplers as well.) I can confirm every other person's experience with S&S Couplers--they are very easy to use, add a trivial amount of weight, and you will absolutely not be aware of them while riding. When I inquired about a Calfee with couplers, my bike shop was told that Calfee had a 54 cm Luna frame already made, and that I could have the couplers fit into it. I think that frame was taken apart, the couplers were then fit into the top tube and down tube, and the frame was reassembled. So you might be able to have the couplers retrofit into a frame which is no longer in the Calfee factory. (This last is pure speculation on my part.) At any rate, it was easy working with Calfee, and I have been very pleased with the bike.

L. D. Lide


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Sydney
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Re: Couplings new [Re: ldlide]
#4651 - 11/20/04 03:37 AM (129.21.12.29)

Thanks for the reply. I am not at all concerned about added weight or difference in feel, due to adding S and S Couplings to a carbon fiber bike. My big concern involves using a carbon fiber bike as a travel bike because I keep hearing people say how fragile carbon fiber bikes are and even a Calfee sales rep told me I would be better off with Ti if I wanted to get a bike with couplings that I could travel with. I have a Trico Sports Iron Case and hate paying anything extra to carry it on domestic flights (never been charged on an int'l flight).

Calfee will build the bike with "S and S Couplings" in it. Although I suspect they build a "regular" frame and then cut it. There is a great table on the S and S Machine website that shows all the bike manuf.'s that will build a bike containing their couplings or bike brands that can be retrofit. See http://www.sandsmachine.com/fbplist.htm

I didn't realize that the S and S Couplings leaked water into the bike if it rains!!! I have to ride alot in the rain where I live. Did you check with Calfee on that???

Also - why do you have to take the cassette off when you pack it? Could you just wrap some soft cloth or something around it?

Finally, do you have to pad the frame over the cable couplings for riding the bike? Or just when you pack it? I know 2 people locally that have the S and S Couplings on their Ti bikes and they haven't had either of these problems.

Sydney


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garygromet
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Re: Couplings on a Tandem Info new [Re: CalfeeDealer]
#4652 - 11/20/04 04:30 PM (66.32.113.226)

Tetra Tetra Tandem has a list price of $5227, and the couplers' list price is $2520.

Domestically, it costs only $80 to fly with a tandem in a 30 pound Crateworks box which costs about $330.

On British airways, the tandem box is just another piece of luggage.


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Sydney
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Re: Couplings on a Tandem Info new [Re: garygromet]
#4653 - 11/20/04 05:04 PM (129.21.10.107)

Thanks for the price info on the tandem.

I wouldn't be buying a tandem, tho. I'm interested in the Tetra Pro single. The Calfee website lists the S and S couplings option as $450. I would sell my TricoSports IronCase to buy the hardcase (bike/couplings suitcase).
Since it costs $80 *one-way* on a domestic flight, and I currently average about 4 trips a year with my bike, having a bike with couplings would save me money. Not to mention the convenience of being able to fit the hardcase in a rental car or taxi cab!

It's too bad that the airlines charge for taking bikes on domestic flights. I flew to Europe with my bike (packed in the IronCase) the past 3 summers and was never charged anything for my bike (on United Airlines and US Airways).

Sydney


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ldlide
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Re: Couplings new [Re: Sydney]
#4655 - 11/20/04 08:17 PM (65.4.64.15)

Let me clarify a couple of points in my post earlier today. First, carbon fiber frames are not really fragile, but carbon fiber tubes may not have the impact resistance of metal. You should not, for example, clamp a carbon frame in a bike stand, or you may damage the tube.

Second, I remove the cassette when packing because otherwise, using the standard S&S packing technique of placing the front triangle in the bottom of the case followed by placing the rear wheel on top of the front triangle with the cassette facing down, the cassette teeth may dig into the downtube. I have a small frame and the downtube passes right through the center of the case as long as I leave the fork attached. With a larger frame, the downtube would not pass through the very center of the case. Or, if I removed the fork, I would not have the downtube in the middle of the case. If you review all the different packing methods listed on the S&S page, you'll see lots of variations. Some people remove the fork, and I may try that on my next trip. I removed the front brake on my first trip. On my second trip I simply disconnected the brake cable from the brake. The front brake cable is short and does not have any type of cable coupler. If you leave the fork in the headtube, you can't pull the handlebar very far away from the front triangle when packing. Some frames require removal of the right crank and chainrings. I've found I have to remove the right crank, but I don't remove the pedals. Of all this disassembly, removing the cassette is pretty trivial. Of course, if I find a packing technique which doesn't require cassette removal and is generally quick, I'll be glad to use it.

The cable couplers are large enough that they occasionally will bump the adjacent tubes if you don't pad the frame, especially if the road is rough. I wouldn't worry about it with a brushed titanium frame but I'm sure that bumping could eventually rub the paint off a Calfee frame, and the noise irritated me. Ideally, a travel bike would have cable stops which would hold the cables a little farther from the frame than usual. I just stuck some kind of black adhesive pad onto the frame next to the cable couplers, and the inner tube I pull over the couplers to keep out water also provides a little protection and noise damping.

As far as water in the frame is concerned, I was not surprised by it--my other bike is Trek 5200, notorious for taking on water in the rain. Somewhere on the S&S website or in the instructions I got with the bike there was advice to cover the couplers in rainy weather. I don't think water in the frame is a Calfee defect.

Whatever bike you get, I would suggest a wireless computer; it will make packing the fork and front triangle and handlebar easier not to have wires. I have to slide the sensor off the fork leg when I remove the handlebar from the stem, and I'm always worried about the wire getting pulled loose during packing or unpacking.

Carbon frames are not only less impact resistant than most metal frames, but they are also not very scratch resistant. I think a brushed titanium frame could probably be packed quickly with very little padding, and would make an excellent travel bike. But it wouldn't be a carbon bike, and I love the ride of a carbon bike.

L. D. Lide


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Thomas
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Re: Couplings - standard tecnique? new [Re: ldlide]
#4657 - 11/21/04 03:28 AM (24.5.131.12)

I have a S&S coupled 56 cm ti bike that I have taken on many trips. I'm not sure you're right about the "standard tecnique" of packing it. In any case, I have always put the rear wheel in first with the cassette facing downward. Problem solved? Also, I have an openable stem which makes removing the bars very easy. Never had to remove the fork or front brake. Just "wrap" the bars around the fork and put the whole front end in second, followed by the rear end and finally the front wheel. Things have to be overlapped and interweaved a bit, but this method has always worked for me. It takes me about 30 minutes to wrap the tubes and pack everything. Have fun, Thomas

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Thomas
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Re: new [Re: Sydney]
#4658 - 11/21/04 03:40 AM (24.5.131.12)

Sydney, I have a friend with a coupled Tetra Pro. He is very happy with it after a couple of trips to Italy. And here is a link that may interest coupling owners:

http://www.davincitandems.com/manual/man10.html


Enjoy the ride, Thomas


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