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Mercians new
#5054 - 02/05/05 10:07 PM (24.193.95.7)

Gosh, I love Mercians. This old shop in Derbyshire just keeps doing it, doesn't much worry about fads, keeps up a bit with the times (notice a few TIG'd and sloping options now), and keeps firmly planted in the tried and true. Their website says they've had a great year. Could an American company build bikes like this for, say, the past 40 years or so with nary a wink and remain so prosperous? How come the Brits get it? Hmmm...

I called the other day to inquire about 531 Pro tubing since their website mentioned that they had found three complete tubesets NOS/NIB. Anything anyone can add to the history of this particular version of 531 would be most welcome.

Mercian understands the old ways but will do what you ask them, if it is plausible. If you don't know what to ask or you leave something out, they will do the obvious, correct thing. Let me give an example. I asked about a frame that would be suitable for mudguards (fenders). Today I thought, "I didn't ask if they tapped the chainstay bridge nor did I ask about the eyelet..." So I wrote a note and, voila, the answer was of course those things would be done because what good would be a bike designed for mudguard possibilities that didn't do such things. There is an old wisdom here; something I am glad not to have ask for or worry about; something a person might not remember to ask for or know to ask for but is done as a matter of experience, history, and depth of understanding. Perhaps there are some "younger" companies that match this but one of the features of the best traditionalist builders is this understanding that comes from the ages, from building bikes like this since forever. Mariposa is like this too and there are some others, of course. Perhaps there are some "old" young companies too but Mercian is like few others I can think of.

Another thing I like: even if you order a Mercian with some of the more expensive finishing options(like chrome)the frame and fork come to the door for less than 2K, a LOT less than 2K. Sure, it's old technology, it's stove enamel paint (hurrah!!!), and its more than other neat options in lugged steel (say, those fine Kogswells but on a par with the Ebisu or Toyo-made Rivendells...) but there this a great deal of great bike-ness along with great value here.

This is too long, not meant to be panegyric either but today I saw a Mercian Vigorelli with the Vinctore lugs, the fancy ones. The woman who owned it works in Bicycle Habitat (on Lafayette Street in NYC) and she'd built it with Nitto steel track bars, the Sugino Super Mighty crankset, and had taped the top tube in lieu of a Kashimax tt protector; original white finish with blue outlined lugs the gothic decal set: a real thing of elegance, simplicity, and beauty; the bicycle messenger culture, for sure, but what better rig for this city? She knew what she had and it was a pleasure to see a young person so sweet on such a great older bike. But if you called Mercian today they could easily, happily, and without a second thought make you the same bike. I find that a source of comfort in my weird little world.

Enough, the Mercian website if it's unfamiliar is this:
<http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/>

dbrk


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Re: Mercians new [Re: dbrk]
#5055 - 02/05/05 10:48 PM (24.22.233.76)

I love stove-enamel paint! There is certain patina about it that says 'hand-done'. During the time I used to restore old British motorcycles (which seems like a hundred years ago), I would stove -enamel the frames and certain other bits and really enjoy the lustrous results.

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Re: Mercians [Re: dbrk]
#5056 - 02/06/05 01:43 AM (68.215.113.213)

I fully agree, dbrk. I've been considering adding a new Mercian to my current collection for a while now. If I wasn't such an extreme penny pincher I'd have one by now. I ordered a brochure through their website and was surprise how glossy and modern it was, while it still retained just the right touch of old style and British charm.

I'm sure I'll get the courage to take the plunge soon. Meanwhile, I love surfing that site and wondering what colors I'd choose for the head and seat tube bands...

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Re: Mercians new [Re: GoJavs]
#5058 - 02/06/05 06:33 AM (24.22.233.76)

All things considered, Mercians are surprisingly inexpensive!

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Re: Mercians new [Re: Dave_Thompson]
#5061 - 02/06/05 12:34 PM (68.215.110.127)

Absolutely! If you compare with other custom-built steel alternatives, Mercian's prices are very inexpensive. Heck, compared to off-the-rack options, they are still very competitive.

Where else can you still get a bike built for you with venerable 531?

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Re: Mercians new [Re: GoJavs]
#5066 - 02/07/05 03:43 AM (65.37.80.142)

Quote:

GoJavs wrote:
Where else can you still get a bike built for you with venerable 531?




Well, from Mike Barry of Mariposa, for one. Mike has a batch of NOS 531 tubesets such as the one you can see on my red bike in the Forum Photos. Last year I was also lucky enough to have one of perhaps the last Ron Cooper bikes actually built by Ron and this too is in NOS 531 with the 1" tt. Nothing rides sweeter, imho. Mercian has 531 tubing if you ask but mostly "C", I think.

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Re: Mercians new [Re: dbrk]
#5080 - 02/08/05 02:12 PM (208.62.248.183)

531 is sweet...indeed very sweet. My first serious road bike was a 70's Falcon made out of 531. It was a really good ride, a little tall for me , but still great.

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Re: Mercians new [Re: BigDan]
#5092 - 02/09/05 02:31 AM (65.9.93.28)

I'm sure there's going to be one of those beauties in my future. For now, I just picked up a '97 Bob Jackson Nervex Pro. I should have it here within a week. Beautiful metallic blue, with black nervex lugs with white outlining...Can't wait to build this thing up. It's 853 tubing.

Long live traditional, heavily lugged steel beauties!

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Re: Mercians new [Re: GoJavs]
#5093 - 02/09/05 04:02 AM (65.37.80.142)

GoJavs,
I'm puzzled...if the Jackson is 853 tubing then wouldn't it take a 1.125" top tube? There is a Nervex Pro set that allows this "oversized" modern top tube? I may be mistaken but I think the Nervex Pro lugs used the old style 1" top tube. (I could be very wrong!)

Good luck with the Jackson, surely a beautiful bike. PLEASE post some pictures when you have a chance.

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Re: Mercians new [Re: dbrk]
#5097 - 02/09/05 12:09 PM (65.9.76.246)

That's a really good question. You are right, Nervex lugs were made when 853 wasn't around...Interesting. I'll send you a picture so you can tell me what you can see on there. I'm very curious now.

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Re: Mercians new [Re: dbrk]
#6983 - 11/15/05 08:44 PM (199.108.76.28)

Re: Mercians

I am very late to this thread. However, I wanted to add my experience with Mercian as I had a touring frame custom made from them in 2004. My experience is that although their price seems reasonable at first when comparing other custom frame builders,(about $900 USD after shipping) vs. 1200-1300 for the US or Japan, their workmanship actually is not up to the same level.

I was excited when I got my lugged, steel touring frame from them since I had put a lot of work on details such as custom geometry, eyelets, color, etc. During installation, however, I discovered that the paint would chip off easily, and that key areas such as the bottom bracket threads, insides of the head tube, and where the seat post is inserted revealed poor workmanship. The threads/insides of the tubing were chewy like and would peel off easily.

I had the frame assessed by two well known steel frame builders/designers in Northern California, and they both agreed that the quality of workmanship was very poor. While the bike rode adequately due to it having the right geometry and lugged steel the longevity of the frame would be suspect. I eventually sold the frame for a loss.

If I could do it again, I would have rather spent another $400 for a lugged Japanese or American built custom frame. This I can say since I now own a 'semi production' Japan built Rivendell Romulus and the quality of this frame is far-far superior than the Mercian I had custom made.


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Re: Mercians new [Re: tristan2k]
#9367 - 11/23/07 08:24 PM (82.20.60.30)

I would have to agree. I bought a Mercian and although it has character the workmanship and finish were disappointing. A stem could not be inserted without getting the steerer reamed out first, same with the BB. The frame was straight but no where near the level of a Kirk I have. To be fair though the Mercian costs half as much for an equivelant Kirk frame.If I had to have one or the other I'd pay more and get the better quality Kirk/Sachs etc.

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