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Local399
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Record vs Chorus ? new
#2956 - 05/16/04 06:23 PM (24.126.1.33)

Hi all,

I've been debating about putting together another bike and want to use a Campy drivetrain on this one. (my other 3 road bikes all have D/A Triple components).

So, being new to the world of Italian Componentry, I was wondering everybody's opinion on whether its worth it to spend the extra $300.00 to $400.00 to go Record over Chorus.

I honestly am not a weight weenie, so weight is unimportant to me. What is important is smooth shifting and reliability. I dont mind spending the extra money if the durability and shifting quality justifies it. But, given they they look so similar (with all the carbon bits) it comes down to performance.

Oh, if it matters, I will be using it with a Triple chain ring and a 13-29 cassette.

As always, thank you all in advance,

Steve

PS Please, lets not make this a debate about Campy vs Shimano. As of now, there is no D/A Triple, so its out of the question. Thanks.


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Local399]
#2957 - 05/16/04 09:23 PM (66.205.8.130)

Steve think of it this way, for years its been common knowledge that this years Record becomes next years Chorus, so either way you go,you are getting a good product. In the end it all comes down to what amount money you wish to spend on the bike you are putting up, and if you want to go the extra mile for the slightly lighter more refined Record gruppo .

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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Allan]
#3000 - 05/19/04 02:48 AM (216.179.75.238)

It used to be that Record had carbon and Chorus did not. Now Chorus is carbon as well. Carbon is so cool, especially if you put it on a carbon bike.

If you are concerned about weight, or status, or just want the best, and can afford it, get Record. If you want something really good, want to save a bit, and it does not bother you that you are not getting the latest thing, get Chorus. You will love either choice. I don't think you will notice any substantial differences between the two except for looks.

PS. Weight only matters if you pay attention to all parts of the bike, not just the components. It also gets very expensive, and you probably won't notice the last pound or 1/2 kilo you gain by shaving every gram. If you are not into weight reduction, go Chorus.


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Bruce]
#3391 - 06/12/04 10:47 AM (64.12.116.74)

its really a dilemna isn't. One grear product over another great product made by the same company. I have both and bother are wonderful. Cannot go wrong with either choice. How about a mix?????

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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Bruce]
#3392 - 06/12/04 05:10 PM (66.205.8.130)

For my everyday training bike i put Chorus parts where it is prone to be damaged in a fall, items such as the ergo levers and rear derailleur. The rest however is Record,items such as the brake calipers, crankset and hubs etc, since these dont get visually or physically damaged as easily. The way i see it is like this if the 'trainer' gets involved in a fall, the parts being damaged are also a little less damaging on the wallet as well.

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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: easypedaler]
#3396 - 06/12/04 11:20 PM (24.126.1.33)

I ended up doing a mix of record and Chorus. Chorus on the bottom bracket, cassette, water bottle cages and seatpost. The rest is Record. The bike I installed all this on has a black paint job and the black brake calipers look terrific on it!

Thank you everyone for your opinions.

Steve


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Local399]
#4297 - 10/06/04 06:43 PM (216.170.13.162)

Whatever you do, install a complete group on your bike. All record or all chorus or all daytona, for that matter. In 30 years if you want to sell the bike, the fact that the group isn't a group, but a bunch of misc. parts will cut the value considerably.

Also, buy extra wear-items right now so that you don't have to hunt them down in ten years (chains, cassettes).


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: pwk16]
#4303 - 10/08/04 02:16 AM (67.168.231.68)

I disagree about the future value. Here's the future value of your bike: almost nothing, no matter what's on it.

Bikes aren't like watches....more like computers. Put on the least expensive group you can still be happy with, because they all work great.


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: vaxn8r]
#4305 - 10/08/04 01:35 PM (12.76.107.84)

Agreed on future value of the bike.

However you can get more by pulling off the parts. There is a very active market on ebay for used parts particularly Chorus/Record and Ultegra/Dura-Ace.

Since so many Campy Folks say that "Chorus is just last year's Record" it makes sense to use that in the cassette and bb. They will work as well and at worst be a tad heavier. However I would rethink the seatpost. The difference in cost can't be that much and this splits a "full Record" bike up (at least as one looks at it). For a couple of extra dollars on a one time spend I'd get the Record to exactly match all your other parts that can be seen. It will look nicer and increase that all "important zoot factor . "


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Lon]
#4314 - 10/08/04 09:16 PM (66.205.8.130)

Actually i prefer to match the seat post and stem together with the same brand, since no manufacturer of gruppos that i know of also make a stem. The Thompson components look good, are very reliable, reasonably priced and are available in silver and black to go with most bike colour schemes.

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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Allan]
#4321 - 10/09/04 02:38 PM (68.233.219.25)

I agree.

I'm having a new Fly built up and I picked the Selcof seatpost, stem and handlebar. They are carbon wrap that is really beautiful. I like the way they build their components with a wrap on alloy. The handlebar has the wrap only in the middle where it shows. They also have a white carbon seatpost. I don't know if they have done the stem to match.

Selcof can be hard to find on this side of the Atlantic. It is worth the search.


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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: pwk16]
#5429 - 03/17/05 05:39 PM (192.55.52.2)

In 30 years no one can say just what an old bike would be worth. Maybe nothing since it would be worthless compared to the current stuff. Maybe a lot if it becomes a collector's item. Whether it has a complete group on it or not makes no difference. I don't see the market differentiation. Most folks are perfectly comfortable with stems, seatposts, cranks and forks all made by different manufactureres. Also based on the growing activity in restoring old bikes with modern components obviously one does not have to stick with one brand or another due to compatability issues. Who knows how rugged, efficient and reliable a bicycle will be in 30 years. It is a crapshoot. Advice to buy a complete group with spare parts is pointless.

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Re: Record vs Chorus ? new [Re: Lon]
#5459 - 03/20/05 05:32 PM (66.205.8.2)

Lon,
I havent seen any of the Selcof stuff for quite a while, but im sure their quality and workmanship still makes a name for itself. After i post this i'm going to take a look at their website to see whats new.

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Re: Record vs Chorus ? [Re: Allan]
#5553 - 03/26/05 12:37 PM (65.37.80.142)

There was a time when a "whole" group or a monocoque-kit, if you will, (or what I would disdainfully call the IKEA-plug-in kit, with all due apologies to IKEA who make stuff that is far better, more interesting, and useful than, say, plug-in rear carbon stays or, dare I say?, carbon forks with little tire clearance and limited rakes that force the design of the bike from the fork to the frame, precisely the wrong direction) was never part of cycling. Campagnolo introduced the notion many moons ago but even into the early 1990s there were plenty of mixes and matches on OEM bicycles. Bridgestone comes to mind because Grant Petersen (who was doing the specs) was looking for value and performance---and he got it with Nitto posts, Ritchey stems, Dia-Compe brakes, and other bits that didn't "match" the whole, rarely to the delight of the Big Guys who want only their stuff on your bike, with all the commensurate threats about non-compatibility and risk and other complete nonsense that means to scare you into conformity. Bikes, like American life (gratuitous philosophical insert), has become more and more about such fears, comformities, fashion dictates, and the perception that difference is itself "odd" and even unwelcome. I personally never build a bike with one group or one kit and this has never been the cause of a diminished resale value, no matter how long I keep the bike. Put on what you like, what suits your aesthetic sense, and be darned to corporate conformity. Bike shops will often tell you that this doesn't work with that---not because they actually know from experience because they rarely build mix and match bikes, they mostly build what comes out of their boxes or what the manuals tell them---and that makes you, the not-necessarily-experienced mechanic who doesn't want to risk or waste money---go along with their "expert" recommendation. Of course, there are a lot of surviving great old bike shops where someone knows that you can mix up all sorts of indexing bits without the slightest problem. I make a point of putting things together that aren't supposed to work to see how easy it is to get them to work perfectly. Answer: about 95% of the time we are being corporately hookwinked.

As for Record and Chorus, there is no compelling reason to spend the premium for Record in terms of performance, longevity, or, nowadays since it's all carbon (and therefore ugly to my eye) in aesthetics. Since this year's Chorus has been last year's record for the longest time, the extra expense is a great deal for very little in "improvement." The bicycle industry needs you and me and others to believe that things are new and improved all the time. We are being _sold_ stuff and this sort of debate is just the sort of thing that gets the "gotta have the best" or "might as well have the 'best'" issue out front, so it's not a completely pointless "debate." But what it's about is marketing, advertising, and our collective sense of ourselves---for high-end bikes are like cars, watches, clothes, you name it, they are a way we put ourselves to a fashion identity and then buy it for the sake of feeling better. It's got little to do with quality, performance, or value.

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