superunleaded
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I know this has been covered before but I'm out of ideas on where to look for the creaking sound from my Spectrum. Things I've done: Took the bike to the Phil Wood factory since it's a PW BB and the guys replaced the bearings and put everything back within PW specs. They even helped me with these... Greased all crankset bolts with PW waterproof grease. Greased everything from the seatpost area all the way to the saddle rails. Skewers were released and re tightened but the creaking is still there. Any other ideas?
PS Mr. TK, Would you be able to tell if a frame came back to you for repairs if I give you the ser#? Guys at PW & Co. noticed that the finish on the bike looks weird. PLMK thanks... -gas
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Tom_Kellogg
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Reged: 12/22/03
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Dear Super:
Clicks and creaks can be the most frustrating type of mechanical problem than cyclists have to deal with. The first thing to keep in mind that most of those noises, whether they come from the bottom bracket or not, sound as though they come from the bottom bracket. I will give you a few hints as to how you might start to track this one down.
If you can not get the bike to make the noise when you are standing, then you can be pretty sure that the sound is actually coming from the seat post, saddle, saddle rails, etc. Frequently, a saddle noise comes from the rails creaking inside their pockets in the shell. A little squirt of lube in those pockets will tell you if that is it.
If the sound goes away, even for a little time when you squirt water in the general direction of your pedal / cleat, then that is where the problem is. If you suspect that there is a chance of the noise coming from your Pedals / cleats / shoes, try the water squirt first to check. If that test gives you a heads up, you will need to work on isolating the real source. The most common source is the interface between the cleat and the sole of the shoes. The next most common is the interface between the cleat and the pedal itself. Look pedals, especially older ones, could not be fixed once the creaking started since it was a result of the aluminum of the hook rubbing off onto the back of the cleat. This caused an aluminum on aluminum interface and horrible noises. No amount of grease or anti-seize would cure the problem.
If the creaking ONLY comes when you are standing, the problem is most likely coming from the front wheel. Many modern wheels use aluminum front axles or axle lock nuts. These pieces will build up aluminum oxide dust on them which will make horrible creaking noises when you stand up. Just clean the area, apply a tiny amount of grease to the axle and lock nut and reinstall the wheel. The most consistent offender of this type is the Ksyrium. Rolf wheels also make horrible noises sometimes. This is usually from a wheel that is simply not as tight as it should be.
When you had the good folks at Phil Wood grease the crank bolts, did they do the chain ring bolts? All mating surfaces on all of the chain ring bolts need to be lightly lubed. They will creak or click otherwise.
In any case, if you did not hear a change in the noise after the work that you had done on the Bottom Bracket, you can be sure that it is not the Bottom Bracket or its interface with the frame. If it was, there would have at least been some sort of change in the noise for a while.
Let us know how you make out...
-------------------- Tom Kellogg
Spectrum Cycles
610-398-1986
http://spectrum-cycles.com/
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Insightdriver
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This information from Tom is so good it would be valuable to post it in the general forum for it pertains to all bike creaks and how to troubleshoot them. Thanks, Tom, for posting it for us.
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superunleaded
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Thanks Tom. The creaking sound got louder after replacing th e PW bearings. The top mechanic at PW actually loosened the crankbolts and sprayed it with TriFlow lube. He took the pedals out too and was just pushing the crankarms and the creaking is still there. When I got home, I took the whole seatpost out including the binder bolt and rode the bike without a saddle and post and the creaking is still there. I have to check the front wheel later tonight. Another thing I noticed is that the chain is a little bit dry. I wonder if the sound is coming from the chain. Anyways, I'll post another report later. -gas
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Nev
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Reged: 05/03/04
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Quote:
superunleaded wrote: Another thing I noticed is that the chain is a little bit dry. I wonder if the sound is coming from the chain.
Only when pedaling, correct? Is is a constant or intermittent sound?
Since I'm a dope, I do this all the time: Whenever I remove a mtb chain for a thorough soaking and cleaning, and when I clean old ones on my Fixed gear side projects, I ALWAYS forget to regrease/relube. So I'm usually at least a mile from home when I remember that distinctive sound of a spit-shined and cleaned chained turning on the chainring. Very creepy, er...creaky sound.
Could be a single link as well. Find that by hand moving each one at at time. Or slowly turn the cranks backwards and watch how the chain is falling on the chain ring or rear cog. If you find a stiff one, hold a lighter under it for a few seconds. Move it and lube it.
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superunleaded
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Only when pedaling, correct? Is is a constant or intermittent sound?
Hi NEV, Yes and it is intermittent. But I am happy to report that the creaking is gone. I'm sure it is coming from the chain which wasn't mentioned from the old phorum before.
Mr. TK, Thanks a bunch.
-gas
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superunleaded
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Hi Ed, I've posted and arrow pointing this way at the general discussion area in case somebody fires a search about bb creaks in that thread.
-gas
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Nick
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You are a legend! I've have spent the last month creaking my way to work and back on a daily basis. It's been like some kind of water torture. I squirted every moving part and had convinced myself that I needed a new bottom bracket. A final desparate web search brought up your message board response. I stood on my pedals... no creak! One quick squirt under my saddle later and once again I can glide to work in peace and I didn't need to dismantle my bottom bracket.
Many thanks
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Dave_Thompson
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Reged: 12/19/03
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Much collective wisdom lives here!
-------------------- Steel lover, but then I like Ti with carbon too.
Licensed bike geek.
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ROP
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Use plumber's Teflon tape around your BB shells to eliminate creaking and work out from there.
Maybe your stem/handlebar/headset interface?
Edited by ROP (06/27/07 01:44 AM)
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Nev
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I never posted my never-to-be-all-encompassing list of tick and creak fixes.
Always check everything: Stem/steerer tube interface = tighten Handle bars/stem interface = grease and/or tighten Stem/stem bolts interface = grease and/or tighten Brake clamp/handle bar interface = grease and/or tighten Front fork dropouts/axle interface = tighten skewer/grease dropouts/axle BB/shell interface = grease,tape...tighten... Crank arm/BB interface = grease and/or tighten BB Pedal/crankarm interface = grease and/or tighten pedal Pedal/pedal spindle interface = grease and/or tighten Pedal/cleat interface = tighten cleat and/or grease cleat Shoe/cleat interface = remove/clean/tighten cleat Chain ring/chainring bolts interface = grease and/or tighten Rear dropouts/axle interface = tighten skewer and/or grease dropouts/axle Seat tube/seat post collar interface = grease and/or clean Seat tube/seat post shim = remove/clean, locktite shim/seat tube Seat post clamp/seat post clamp bolts = tighten and/or grease Seat post/seat rails = clean and/or grease Seat rails/seat = grease and/or buy new seat
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BlueJays
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Loc: United States
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Lubricating the chainring bolts is a piece-of-cake task that has resolved the issue for me in the past.
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NCSPECTRUM
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Just went thru lubing pedals, chain, cassette and cleaning spokes. Pulled seat. Put in a new DA BB. And finally, did what Tom told me to do when I bought the bike - make sure there's teflon tape on the BB threads. Which my LBS just confirmed was missing following my last cleaning. Teflon replaced, creak is gone! Thanks Tom! Start there and work out for sure.
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