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Insightdriver
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My bike was stolen new
#6528 - 09/04/05 12:07 AM (67.182.161.77)

Hi folks,

I guess I wasn't paranoid enough. I was at Gold Rush Days in Old Sacramento, an annual celebration of the settlers and history of the building of Sacramento during the gold rush in 1849. I am a civil war reenactor and being that Old Sacramento is on my regular route when I ride on weekends I decided to ride my bike there. I had my bike locked with a cable to light post about ten feet behind the tent where we were set up. The pole in an open area. A lot of bikers ride through mixing with the throngs of people touring the event. I was keeping an eye on my bike throughout the day. There was someone always around since there are dozens of tents with people displaying wares and stuff. There was no way someone could have spent much time taking the bike for it would have looked suspcicious. Whoever it was had to have passed at least a handful of cyclists. The light post near the one my bike was locked to also had a bunch of bikes locked to it.

I was distracted for a while. When someone mentioned something to me I thought to show them my bike. When I turned around and looked, my bike was gone. I assume it was someone patiently watching to see their opportunity to strike. I assume it was someone who had a tool of some kind with which to quickly break the lock. I assume it was someone with courage enough to look casual, don my helmet which was on the handlebar and ride away in plain view of dozens of people with their back to me if I was to happen to turn around at the time they were taking it. They must have looked strange to some people since I doubt they had Time cleats on their shoes. The Time Atac pedals are really small platforms for someone in regular sneakers or shoes. Whoever it was did not deposit the lock in the garbage can near the bike nor the next one a dozen feet away.

This was my dream bike. Some thief shattered my dream. The company I work for is moving closer to where I live. I was planning on biking to work since they will only be eight miles away. I feel sick inside since the incident happened just a few hours ago and I've only been home a short time.


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vaxn8r
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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6529 - 09/04/05 02:04 AM (24.21.45.147)

I truly feel for you. What a hollow pit in your stomach you must have right now.

I don't even own a bike lock...because I never leave my bikes anywhere.


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vandeda
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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6530 - 09/04/05 02:42 AM (24.195.1.84)

insight,

that really stinks, i'm sorry to hear that some low life decided to take what's not theirs And, as you said, it sounds like they waited patiently to do the job, which makes it even worse imho since they had to justify their actions in their head, instead of maybe acting implusively and just making a really dumb mistake/mis-judgement.

I hope your get your bike back intact, or I hope you have home owners/renters insurance that will cover it (minus deductible unfortunately ... maybe Craig would be kind enough to knock some off to cover some of the deductible, you never know).

dan


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: vandeda]
#6532 - 09/04/05 03:02 AM (67.169.226.166)

Insight,
I'm in the Sacramento area. What did the bike look like (color, etc...). I'll keep my eyes open for it.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6533 - 09/04/05 03:30 AM (24.23.20.225)

This is horrible news. I would continuously check Ebay and Craigs List, as well as the local bicycle shops. You never know - it could turn up online, or sometimes these idiot thieves try to pawn it off to area shops. Do you have a picture and/or a good description of the bicycle? I am very sorry to hear this news - I think all of us would agree that this type of thing is a nightmare.

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Saxon]
#6534 - 09/04/05 04:03 AM (67.182.161.77)

Thanks for the reply.

I posted on the bikehikers site the description and pointed to the pictures I have on this site. search for "My custom tetra Pro," and you can see the four pics of it I posted here.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: lorrod]
#6535 - 09/04/05 04:04 AM (67.169.226.166)

Letting the local bike shops know about it is a good idea. There are a few nice bikes that were stolen from the Sac area in the last few weeks. The Bicycle Business had a break in and lost a Litespeed Vortex and an IF ti. I'll put the word out with all the bike folks I know about your Calfee.

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: lorrod]
#6536 - 09/04/05 04:05 AM (67.182.161.77)

Thanks for the reply.

I've been checking Craigslist and Ebay as soon as I got home. I was sent a reply from a member of the local biking club member list that they had their bike stolen in a similar brazen manner and that it was reported to them that there are homeless kids who are often stealing the bikes.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6537 - 09/04/05 06:26 PM (71.97.97.107)



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Re: My bike was stolen [Re: Insightdriver]
#6538 - 09/04/05 09:26 PM (24.53.254.50)

Have a flyer to leave at each shop in the area and talk to every wrench personally as much as possible. Eventually they will need work done on the bike. Put a nice reward on it since wrenches are poor and that is a nice motivating way to approach it. A friend had a similar theft and this is how he got it back.

To any out there...I never had a really good lock until this week. Since I can't drive a car for 6 months at least whenever I can ride a bike again I knew I'd need a good lock. Performance has the NY lock on sale for I think 40 percent off. When you add in the Team Performance discount it is 50 percent. It was listed on a flyer in the box of my last order.

The nice thing with that lock is you can "wear" it as a bandolero or belt and not have to weight the bike down with a big old U lock.

Good luck Insight.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6543 - 09/05/05 06:10 PM (68.123.8.46)

That really suck. I'll keep my eyes on it too.
Here's a quick link to Ed's ride.
http://www.bikefanclub.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=510

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: superunleaded]
#6544 - 09/06/05 01:44 AM (67.182.161.77)

Hey superunleaded,

Thank you very much for posting the link. I apprecaite very deeply the sympathy and understanding you are all showing to me. Things could be worse, I could be unhealthy. I'm fortunate for good health and a loving family.

On another note, I had had my helmet hanging on my handlebar and in it my gloves and glasses. I was wandering around across the railroad tracks (four sets of tracks behind the Sacramento Railroad Museum) and found one of my cycling gloves on the ground. Everything else is long gone. I have little hope of finding or having it found, my dream bike. I'll get over it.

Friends are a great comfort to me at this time as well.
Thanks to all of you who love bicycling and like to talk about all the things related to it.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6545 - 09/06/05 04:20 AM (64.175.241.32)

Sorry to hear about the theft. Watching eBay, Craigslist... and posting notices at bikes shops are the best suggestions. You should probably also post the serial number if you still know it.

Even though it's grand theft, the police will probably not actually investigate this crime, so perhaps you could do some investigating on your own. Can you see any security cameras pointed in the direction of the light pole? Perhaps the owner of that camera would be so kind as to let you look at their surveillance tape.

You've mentioned before that you reenact Civil War battles. So you probably know alot of people at these events, maybe you could check with some of your friends to see if maybe, per chance, they had a camcorder filming at the time.

Good luck.

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: vaxn8r]
#6546 - 09/06/05 04:27 AM (64.175.241.32)

Quote:

vaxn8r wrote:
I don't even own a bike lock...because I never leave my bikes anywhere.




I completely agree with this philosphy. I never carry a bike lock because I too never leave my (good) bike unattended. I think the lock would give me a false sense of security and lull me into locking my bike at places I really shouldn't.

However, I do own several locks and do lock it up at home and inside my car (to the folding rear seat latches) if I feel unsecure about the situation.

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6547 - 09/06/05 04:43 AM (24.22.126.42)

What a rotten, rotten, break....and that's an understatement.

I will forward the link to the local bike club lists I know of in Oregon. The more people you alert the better. In fact, I suggestl others in nearby (to CA) states do the same. This is the kind of bike that might get peddled (!) out of state

DO contact the police with your serial number and pictures. They won't guarantee safe return but they see a lot of stolen material, one way or another and you might as well make it easy for them to recognize your bike, should it surface locally.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Pintsized]
#6548 - 09/06/05 01:44 PM (66.7.29.138)

I'm very sorry to hear that.

Not to make you feel worse, but some advise: I mostly leave my Dragonfly at home. Even there, I sometimes wonder if it is safe... If I should drill a lock-to into the basement floor, and chain it up in case someone breaks into the house.

I use a New York Quadra-Chain and the new-style long-key Disc lock at work when I commute. And I lock the disc through the chain and TO the chainstay, to discourage a breakage or leverage attack. Any such attack would result in a broken frame. And when I ride it to work, it stays in the parking garage, not in 'public'.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: flythebike]
#6550 - 09/06/05 04:09 PM (71.129.124.122)

Quote:

flythebike wrote:
I sometimes wonder if it is safe... If I should drill a lock-to into the basement floor, and chain it up in case someone breaks into the house.





The motorcycle industry makes a security device that is bolted into cement floors. Basically a thick, strong hoop built into a base with 3-4 bolts epoxied into holes you drill. I don't know what they're called, but talk to the folks at motorcycle shops and they'll know.

Or just chain the bike to your pit bull :-)

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: skuke]
#6572 - 09/12/05 11:24 AM (151.205.63.82)

I'm really sorry to hear about this.I've never locked a bike and I guess its just dumb luck that I haven't had one stolen yet.

I realize this won't help Insightdriver,but I think from now on I'll remove the front wheel and take it with me.I do some small errand running/shopping,and at least the bike could not be ridden away.

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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: dfcas]
#6575 - 09/13/05 03:58 AM (67.182.161.77)

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the sympathy. I'm not hurting so much now, but I am still feeling a sick feeling inside for the loss of my dream bike.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6576 - 09/13/05 02:17 PM (66.7.29.138)

Again, really sorry for that happening to you....here is an article that I was in relating to the subject:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/041101/1tech.div.htm


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Hey Insight new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6577 - 09/13/05 03:38 PM (24.53.254.50)

I was in touch with Dean. Make sure they have your information. I had asked him about a serial number and they keep track of requests and such and check them against a stolen list. I'd drop him an e-mail. He can be hard to reach since he runs a lot.

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Re: Hey Insight new [Re: Lon]
#6579 - 09/13/05 11:54 PM (67.182.161.77)

Hi Lon,

I got two emails already from Craig Calfee. The outpouring of sympathy from all you guys and gals really helps me feel better. I'm even holding off on having my insurance settlement just in case my bike is recovered. I know the odds are really slim, though.

I'm only waiting because there was a local case of thieves stealing 4 high-end bikes from a locked garage. One of the thieves was found months later riding one of the stolen bikes. Back at his place all the other stolen bikes and bunch of other stuff were stored. Unfortunately the insurance company had already settled with the victims, so those bikes belong now to the insurance company.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: dfcas]
#6581 - 09/15/05 04:55 AM (71.131.50.228)

Quote:

dfcas wrote:
I think from now on I'll remove the front wheel and take it with me.I do some small errand running/shopping,and at least the bike could not be ridden away.

dan




Something I've done in the past if I had to leave my bike unattended for a time is open both wheel quick releases and then turn (rotate) them so they appear close at a quick glance. That was on a bike that had horizontal drop outs. If somebody tried to ride off, the rear wheel would instantly jam with the first pedal stroke. If they picked up the bike, the front wheel would fall out.

Side note. I vaugely recall something about the Forest Service(?) confiscating only the front wheel of mt. bikers riding in restricted areas. They could retrieve their wheel at the ranger station where they would also get a ticket for riding in a closed area. ...'course you had to hike out from wherever you where while walking your bike, sans front wheel, the entire way.

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A Reminder new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6583 - 09/15/05 12:34 PM (24.53.254.50)

Insight...in case you haven't I would again highly recommend visiting shops with a flyer and talking to the wrenches. At some point the bike has to be worked upon given the basic skills of a crook.

Removing wheels and such at an event like his probably would not have mattered. They could just walk off like it was a flat...the average person has no idea. A good example was a friends bike on a roof rack...they cut it off the rack...and left minus the front wheel. The good news is they went to a shop with a flyer to get a new front wheel. As they got an "assortment" to show them the police arrived instead of a wheel selection.

Hang in there.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: skuke]
#6584 - 09/15/05 10:55 PM (24.21.45.147)

Good ideas. Another thought I had is to take the chain off the crank so if they try to ride away they aren't going to be going anywhere in a hurry.

Another thought, strap your helmet between the DT and front wheel.

Neither of these will prevent a determined thief but it will take an extra few moments which could save your ride.


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Re: My bike was stolen new [Re: vaxn8r]
#6585 - 09/16/05 12:04 AM (67.182.161.77)

When I do get my insurance money it will be $500 less than what I payed for my Calfee. I've been in discussions with my LBS and I've decided that I'll get a Guru with an aluminum main triangle with carbon for seat/chain stays and fork. I'll get the same dimensions and setup I had on my Calfee. When I do get it I'll be able to give my ride impressions. Keeping variables to a minimum will be, in my mind, a true test of whether someone can actually feel a difference in the material a bike is made of when all other factors remain the same, weight, stiffness, etc.

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Guru new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6586 - 09/16/05 12:37 AM (24.53.254.50)

Insight,

I'd get a Luna and continue to enjoy a Calfee. I've had aluminum and I still do. My other aluminum I sold fast when I realized how much carbon spoiled me. (It was essentially new and sold fast.) The one I still have I was going to sell but it will be my rehab/Portland bike since I can't get anywhere near what it is worth.

My Luna is as good of a bike as my Fly. There is a little weight penalty and zoot factor. If someone asked me what to do in a Calfee with a budget it would be a Luna and all the very best parts. You will end up with a lot more bike. Starting with great wheels you can get a Luna that kicks butt at a slight weight penalty...your weight savings in components and wheels will help make up for any frame difference.


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Lon's right new [Re: Lon]
#6587 - 09/16/05 01:12 AM (151.205.63.82)

I took my aluminum cross bike to the beach on vacation last week.I rode everyday and kinda got used to it with the 28mm tires.Got home Saturday,rode the Luna Sunday on the club ride.3 pedal strokes intp the ride I said damn this is nice.23mm tires should ride harsher,but the Calfee rides better.

Story #2: A friend and I switched bikes on a ride.His is a Salsa Campeon(sp?) aluminum with a carbon rear end.It felt quick and responsive,but had the aluminum taste.THE NEXT DAY he tried to buy a Luna.Didn't want to wait,and ended up buying a carbon Giant.

As I write this,I'm considering replacing said al cross frame with a custom Tetra cross.

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Re: Lon's right new [Re: dfcas]
#6589 - 09/16/05 01:33 AM (24.22.126.42)

Yes, I think he is right, too. Only Calfee I've ridden is a Luna, but I went the Luna plus good parts route, and I couldn't be happier. If you haven't test rode one, and you can in your part of the world, it might be worth your time. Assuming, of course, you haven't settled on the Guru for sure...

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Re: Lon's right new [Re: Pintsized]
#6592 - 09/16/05 03:07 AM (67.182.161.77)

There is an issue, folks, that I must explain to you for my reason to get a Guru. I am such a physical size that my leg proportion versus my trunk is a three-size difference. What the means is my legs are longer than what is normally proportional for a body trunk and arms. Riding a stock frame that fits my legs makes the bike too long for my trunk. Using a very short stem puts my body weight too far forward on such a frame. I originally got a Tetra Pro because I could get the custom geometry. Most people would not like riding my bike because of the dimensions it had.

To get the same dimensions I would have to go with another Tetra Pro, minimum, not a Luna.

The money I can spend on a new bike will be about $1000 dollars less than what I paid for my Custom Tetra Pro. That pretty much puts the Tetra out of my price range, for components and wheels would have to be a lot cheaper to make up the difference. The Guru frame can have the same geometry as my Calfee. The ride qualities should be identical, from a geometry standpoint. The components will be the same, wheels and drivetrain. This is why I believe I will have valuable insights (no pun intended) into what qualities a bike has which are determined by the materials they are made of.

My LBS talked with Calfee to find out what they could do for me. I could get a reworked frame for cost with the paint job free for me as a compensation. I could not get a custom frame, though, and of those frames available in my size, they have one-inch steerers, not the current standard 1 1/8. This limits how high the spacers can go on my steerer, putting me in a lower and more-stretched riding position. For a young person that would not be much of an issue. I'm 52 and have some joint damage I live with. I need a more upright stance on a bike to keep the strain off my back.

One of the things that made my Calfee my dream bike was how tremendous a difference it was to ride a bike that fit me. My bike looked like the wheels were too close to each other, the wheelbase was that short. I had significant toe overlap with the front wheel, an issue I had to keep in mind when mounting the bike when slowly turning. The standover also left me with being flush with the top tube when standing over the bike. This also is a non-issue because I only had to lean the bike to one side to keep the clearance I need when dismounted, such as when waiting for a stop light.

I loved how comfortable the cockpit was. When I was in my groove I could ride the drops for long stretches with ease. I only had to pivot forward to hit the hoods, I did not have to stretch foreward as I was used to doing with every other bike I owned. I had optimal seat to crank height and position. I could limp walking with my bad knee and ride for hours then find my knee felt better after the ride. That is due to the right fit on the bike. I got blood flowing with joint movement within the limits I have in my joints. Part of staying fit is still excercising in spite of the pain. Everyone who is getting older can relate to that.

I had my bike, finally. This was my machine, one so fine and so robust that it would outlive me. The first time I ever had a frame finer than the parts that were hung on it, just the opposite of most mass-produced bikes. It was strong, not heavy, just very strong and stiff, yet comfortable on bumpy roads. I've been on roads with steel bikes that rattled my eyeballs so much I could only see in a blur. On my Calfee the bumps seemed to be muted a bit, not quite as jarring as I recall from riding my aluminum Giant OCR2.

This bike was the first one in my entire life that cost more than a thousand dollars. Most bikes I bought were less than 650 dollars when I bought them. Most bikes left the shop the way they were displayed. My Giant was the first bike I was properly fitted on. My LBS changed the stem to a stubby one so it would fit me better. I put almost 2500 miles on my Giant in about two years. I put over 1200 miles on my Calfee in just 5 months, which is a big improvement for me, personally. The difference between the Giant, fitted to me, and Tetra Pro, properly fit to me made a big difference. I found I could ride a couple of miles per hour, average with the same effort I put out on my Giant. I could ride 35 to 50 per cent longer distances with about the same total fatigue I had on my Giant. Proper fit made that much difference.

I've had enough time since my bike was stolen to be close to fully accepting it. I've had discussion with friends since I agonized over what to do as far as getting a replacement bike. I lust for carbon but need to be pragmatic. I disdain aluminum but know, in the main triangle it is stiff and light. At least the stays and fork are carbon where they can flex without fatigue where aluminum needs to be overbuilt because it has no flexible limit. An aluminum fork will eventually fail, it's the nature of the material.

I lust for light, but know that physics require strength and to be strong enough it has to have weight. I lust for a Porche but know that it's better to have a Toyota in the long run. My Calfee was that caliber of bike, one that would last for years and just keep on going.

I could go for Dura-Ace on the Guru. I know the price difference compared with Ultegra can't justify it for anything other than the bling factor. I'll go with the Ultegra. I'll go with a bling paint job. On the Calfee I liked the look of carbon fiber under the clear coat. I figure a compromise would be an impressive paint job on the Guru.

I have not made a firm decision, just a preliminary one. I have hope, however tempered by reality, that my Calfee could be recovered. It is so unique, no other bike, even another Calfee, is just like it. I'm trying to determine the wizest choice for me. Some of my reasoning is my personal bias. The options laid out for me were from my LBS. Many times he's told me what I want when I felt differently and he has always been right, in hindsight. He knows my dimensions, he knows my passion for riding, he knows my riding style and he knows what I dream for.


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Re: Lon's right new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6593 - 09/16/05 04:36 AM (24.21.45.147)

Well, IMO there is more to a Calfee than just perfect fit, though that is obviously a very important key. All I'm saying is you've been spoiled by one of the all-time best bikes there is (in terms of weight, efficiency, responsiveness, "feel"), and I've ridden a lot of different bikes over the years. I'd just hate to shell out a bunch of money and always wish you had invested just a bit more for another Calfee.

Then again, some like variety and maybe it's time to move on.

IMO you can spend more, or less, on another bike. But I doubt you can do better.


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Re: Lon's right new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6598 - 09/16/05 03:52 PM (24.53.254.50)

If you are in California or can get there, (your profile doesn't have a location) I'd visit with Craig and Dean and get their feedback on fit. Craig is a genius at such things.

I'd rather have a 105 Calfee with no paint than a D/A Guru with fancy paint. JMHO

Craig had for sale a Tetra/Luna hybrid. It was Tetra tubing with lugs. The handwrapping is part of the Tetra cost. Maybe he can change the tubes you need. I'd speak directly with him if it were me.


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Re: Lon's right new [Re: Lon]
#6600 - 09/17/05 12:19 AM (67.182.161.77)

Hi Lon,

I will take that into consideration with great seriousness. I want to pose the questions to my LBS guy with whom I've developed a great deal of trust over the years.

I'm in Sacramento so it's about a three hour ride for me to get to Craig's place. I'll call and talk about visiting. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on point of view, I'm busy on most weekends and would not be able to ride out there to be there on a weekday.


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Re: Lon's right new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6606 - 09/17/05 05:09 AM (24.53.254.50)

Hey you have to have priorities! We are talking bicycles here and what is a silly little weekday job! Let us get everything in line and realize just what and what is not of critical importance.

Take care.


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