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Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro
#6630 - 09/21/05 12:54 AM (67.182.161.77)

Hello folks.

I've made up my mind to get a new Calfee Tetra Pro to replace the one that was stolen from my on the Labor Day weekend. I want to open the discussion up to bike fit because I want all kinds of feedback before I put my order in. I have plenty of time to discuss this for it will be a few months before I find out just how much I get from the insurance company. My LBS sent a quote for the cost of a direct replacement of my bike based on today's prices. Hopefully the insurance company will accept the replacement cost rather than the actual price I paid.

My bike had significant toe overlap. That is one thing I had to be aware of. During normal riding it is not an issue. It's only an issue at crawling speed if I were to lose balance and turned just as my toe was overlapping the wheel. I've scraped the front wheel a few times without mishap. Toe overlap is one thing I want changed on my next Calfee. I understand through discuss with my LBS that the head angle could be slackened a bit to reduce the overhang. I'm pretty sure the increase in trail would not bother me.

The only other thing that I really want improved isn't the bike but my saddle. I haven't zoned in yet on the ideal saddle for me. This time around I'm going to make sure I have one that I am satisfied with. That's about all I'm thinking of right now.

Asthetically I don't know if I'll stay with the clear coat. I thought about nude but it's not much of a draw for me. I liked way my first Calfee looked in clear coat. Maybe this time around I'll go for a good paint job. This is just a beauty factor that is personal. I'm up in the air about it at this time.


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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6631 - 09/21/05 01:34 AM (24.21.45.147)

What size was yor last TP? I guess I'd recommend speaking with Craig about the toe overlap issue.

As for finish...there are so many CF bikes out there now. Showing off the weave isn't as cool to me as it would have been 7-8 years ago. I like paint. But I've seen many in clear coat. Classic. I saw a DFly in cabernet red clear, no fade which was stunning. Still, I like paint the best.

I don't think you'll regret replacing your TP.


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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: vaxn8r]
#6632 - 09/21/05 02:37 AM (67.182.161.77)

I have basically the torso that would fit on a 54 frame with a short stem with legs that fit a 56 frame with some good amount of seatpost showing. This is the reason I need a custom frame and why the frame I had a lot toe overlap. I was involved in the discussion during the design phase and agreed to accept the overlap. Since this is going to be my second bike and full custom I decided I would might as well talk about the things I wish were different about the fit. My bike ended up being a nominal 56 frame with a short top tube.

I would now accept a little bit more forward and downward stretch than I had on my original bike. That and a bit more headtube angle will take care of the toe overlap. Of course, I want to know the ramifications of any design change in my bike before I would accpet them

I appreciate your liking how good the cabernet red clear looked. I may defer to my wife and get a color she likes. Oh, she's a painter (contractor) and really knows her colors.


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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6633 - 09/21/05 03:45 AM (71.97.95.183)

Toe lap!
Most interesting. Not often a concern, but coincidently I was riding my Fixed gear (conversion) the other day while riding with my daughter and I was doing some slow riding with some sharp turns and hit the wheel a few times--very disconcerting with no free wheel.

In any case...good luck with the insurance. Because I'm a dope, once I drove into my garage with my (one of) bike on the roof rack. (mtb bike) Insurance was good and took the bike shop's reco' on replacement parts, which was good $$$. Got the fork rebuilt and I actually just bent the brake arm back and did well--all of which I put back into the bike. Hopefully there's not a depreciation awareness on bikes like cars, and replacement will be the adjuster's focus. And if it isn't, I suspect you have a good case to make it so.

And what're your saddle issues? I just dumped, for good, a fizik because it was horrible and rotten. Have others for both mtb and road and cast offs on the shelf but I just ordered a new Selle Italia prolink because it's the only seat that's worked for me both mtb & road all the time. Spend all that money, gotta feel good sitting on the thing, eh?

Good luck.

Just talking,
Nev

Edited by Nev (09/21/05 03:50 AM)


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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: Nev]
#6634 - 09/21/05 05:12 AM (67.182.161.77)

Hi Nev,

My saddle issue is that I like a flat-top saddle with a wide enough back end and a thick enough nose that is long enough for me so when I do rotate to the drops my sit bone still has enough nose to be sitting on it. I had a Serfas Terazzo that has a long nose, is flat, but the nose was just a bit too narrow for me to be comfortable on long rides. I switched to a WTB Laser V Stealth which has a wider, but shorter nose. It felt a lot more comfortable than the Serfas because of the increased width, but I did not like the shorter nose. I prefer having a seat I can move back and forth on since the more positions I can take the longer I can ride without discomfort.

As far as depreciation is concerned, I got the bike in March of this year and put about 1200 miles on it. For a bike, that's still brand new, considering it is a full custom one. I just hope the insurance company settles up with the amount my LBS quoted to them. My LBS quoted all the parts and the Calfee custom Tetra Pro frame on today's prices, retail. I won't say how much, but I hope the insurance company doesn't try to screw me. They have a $500 deductible they take off the top as it is.

You can ramble on any time you like, by the way. Thanks for chiming in on this thread.


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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6636 - 09/21/05 06:32 AM (71.131.13.56)

Quote:

Insightdriver wrote:
The only other thing that I really want improved isn't the bike but my saddle. I haven't zoned in yet on the ideal saddle for me.




You appear to have a very good relationship with your LBS, are they not allowing you to ride their various saddles for a week or so to test them out? All good shops I'm aware of will not have any hesitations about letting their good customers basically go thru the inventory testing saddles until the perfect one is found. ...of course, you have to maintain a reasonable effort to keep the saddle in a sellable condition if you don't like it.

BTW, I like your decision!

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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: skuke]
#6639 - 09/22/05 01:38 AM (67.182.161.77)

My LBS shop will let me borrow saddles to try. I never bothered to ask before. I am looking foreward, very much to find out why my insurance company will pay me for the theft of my bike. I hope it covers everything I want on my new Calfee. Please, please, everyone here keep giving me your opinions on what I should ask about or look at as far as making my new bike the best bike I ever had in my life. All ideas and input are welcome as I probably don't know enough to ask all the right questions.

Cheers all.

and thanks, Skuke for making your post to me.


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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6641 - 09/22/05 05:34 AM (71.131.34.129)

Quote:

Insightdriver wrote:
My LBS shop will let me borrow saddles to try. I never bothered to ask before. I am looking foreward, very much to find out why my insurance company will pay me for the theft of my bike. I hope it covers everything I want on my new Calfee. Please, please, everyone here keep giving me your opinions on what I should ask about or look at as far as making my new bike the best bike I ever had in my life. All ideas and input are welcome as I probably don't know enough to ask all the right questions.

Cheers all.

and thanks, Skuke for making your post to me.






You seemed to take the theft pretty hard ("Some thief shattered my dream.") and I'd hate to see you go through the agony again. It doesn't matter if it was stolen or wrecked, it's just a bike and it's only money. Don't worry about making it the "best bike" ever. Just make sure you're happy with whatever you wind up with and you ride it as often as you want and for a long as you want. My Tao of bicycling.

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Re: Perfecting my second custom Tetra Pro new [Re: skuke]
#6643 - 09/22/05 06:08 PM (24.21.45.147)

Skuke, that was beautiful man...seriously.

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Hey Insight new [Re: vaxn8r]
#6645 - 09/22/05 07:26 PM (24.53.254.50)

Except to say go see Craig again I have no comment on fit. I don't know enough about that.

Paint...a good friend got a Tetra and wanted opaque paint. I thought it was a dumb idea...it is a gorgeous bike and he has been very happy and would get it repainted the same way. I was shocked at how much I liked it. My two are clear and nude. Another friend had one painted the "clear" blue (the blue version of cabernet red) that shows the weave in bright light. After the bike was wrecked on a car rack he had opaque paint based on seeing the bike of the person above. He had his painted like his DeRosa. He is happier. I had Cabernet Red. It is very dark like a burgundy wine. The weave only really shows well in bright light. Like nude you either like it or not. When I got my Luna refinished I had it made clear and I never regretted it. The botton line...it is purely personal. Go with your instinct and gut feeling and don't worry what anyone else thinks. It is your ride. Also look in the gallery slowly and carefully.

PLUS when you visit Calfee for advice on fitting you will see some others!


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Re: Hey Insight Continued new [Re: Lon]
#6646 - 09/22/05 07:39 PM (24.53.254.50)

Nothing like a severe head trauma.

Now about the saddle...

I ride a Selle Italia Novus which is no longer made. I have a stockpile and I am "watching" two in eBay right now. So if you ever find a favorite stock up. A friend who has raced for about 10 or his 24 years rides a Turbo also out of production. Velonews last year had a survey of the top ten sadddles in the peloton. Most were not even made or promoted.

Take care. Good luck. Have fun doing it.


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Re: Hey Insight Continued new [Re: Lon]
#6647 - 09/23/05 05:14 AM (71.131.84.252)

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Lon wrote:
I ride a Selle Italia Novus which is no longer made. I have a stockpile and I am "watching" two in eBay right now. So if you ever find a favorite stock up. A friend who has raced for about 10 or his 24 years rides a Turbo also out of production.




Stockpiling sounds great in theory. But people, technology, physiques, desires... change. Accidents, illness... can cause a need for a different saddle. So I wouldn't squirrel away too many.

I too rode a Turbo for about ten years. I even took one off a bike I sold and put it on the replacement bike because it was broken in and fit me perfectly. Eventually of course, it wore out. At the urging of some riding buddies, I was willing to try new saddles and found I like the Selle Flite even better!

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Skuke Saddles new [Re: skuke]
#6648 - 09/23/05 04:21 PM (24.53.254.50)

Hey I agree completely. I don't have all that many due to not being able to find them or afford them at the time. Plus black is next to impossible to find now. There are a few red left from time to time.

My problem is wasting money if I don't like the change. Saddles are so personal. The Novus was ahead of its time and to be honest the rest are just catching up. It has a channel; it has passive suspension; it has carbon rails (some are vanadium it had both); and the saddles I've tried on other bikes of mine all failed miserably.

I read all the raves on Fitzik and they are interesting but in essense very similar in size, shape and weight to my Novus. I continue to look and when I don't have a Novus I'll worry about it then.

The Flite is an older model from Selle Italia than the Novus. It actually is a quite old design. However it has been a huge success and is still in production. As I said the Novus was "weird" for its time and they never really promoted it all that well. It just never caught on big time. I blame them because when all the impotence rage was going on they could have reacted first since it had been out . They blew it.

I built up a new bike when they were still in my one store. I put a Specialized saddle on it. I HATED it so much and it HURT so much I literally rode to the shop and put a Novus on and rode out on it. (The Specialized were the big thing then and all the rage.)

Happy riding. I hope to ride at a senior citizen pace to start out soon.

Take care.


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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: Lon]
#6653 - 09/25/05 04:53 PM (24.22.126.42)

Terry brand saddles can be tried out and if you don't like it you can send it back to Terry for a refund (or your shop will do it). I'm serious. Check their website...you can order right from it, too. Trouble is, they mostly make saddles for women.

They do make one or two men's saddles...i.e., longer and narrower. Some guys like the Fly (seriously, that is the name:)) and some like the Zero. I have used the women's counterpart of both, and like both, along with the Fizik Vitesse (also a women's sadddle, I think they make a men's counterpart). However, I don't know if that will tell you much.

My all time favorite saddle, when new, looked sort of like the current leather Brooks do now. I think the brand was Daniel Rebour, or something, and I got it over 20 years ago. It was leather with the metal studs. I see in hindsight it weighed a ton, but somehow I really liked ridiing it. I still have it on my townie bike. A broken in leather saddle is hard to part with.


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Velo new [Re: Pintsized]
#6654 - 09/25/05 05:13 PM (24.53.254.50)

The "gist" of the Velo article was that pros don't worry about a "few" grams and ride those pieces of carbon to save a little weight. They pick the saddle they like and that they are comfortable in day after day. So a pro would agree with your choice...maybe you are a pro and we don't know it.

The folks who ride a Brooks swear by them. I've never tried one but I may on my rehab bike if I can raise some money. Weight won't be an issue at all on that bike bike as I'll be flat riding or easy hill riding.

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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: Pintsized]
#6655 - 09/26/05 04:06 AM (67.161.185.252)

Thanks for the advice on Terry saddles. I'll check them out. As it gets closer to the time that I can actually get around to ordering my custom bike I'll have checked out a lot of stuff.

cheers,

Insight Driver ( Ed Casey )


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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6657 - 09/27/05 03:48 PM (65.116.254.10)

I ride a brooks Swallow and have ridden a Brooks Swift before that. Both are great saddles, but the Swallow is the best I have ridden. Once you break them in they fit like a glove and are great for long rides. If you don't ride much, they might not work for you. They also never wear out like padded saddles.

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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: cccyclist]
#6682 - 10/01/05 06:40 PM (66.219.254.121)

I went through 8 different saddles (including fat ones, thin ones, Brooks, lotsa padding, little padding, cutout, no cutout etc.)before I found the right one for me. I bought each one and rode it for several weeks. Some I'd buy brand new and some used on ebay thinking that if I liked it I would buy a new one. When I decided it just wasn't the right one I'd sell it used and recover about half of what I paid for it.

Just as I was about to give up and assume there wasn't a comfortable saddle for me, I found the Selle Italia SLK. It's just perfect for my butt. After riding it for a month I bought 2 more when they were on sale at Colorado Cyclist.

It was a painful experience... both for my butt and wallet, but now that I'm on the other side of it, I'm glad I didn't give up.

I read about Big Mig getting his bike stolen once. He didn't care a bit about the expensive frame, components, etc, but he was crushed by the loss of his beloved saddle. From that point on he always packed his saddle and shoes in his carry-on luggage!


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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: BikerDoug]
#6710 - 10/03/05 07:36 PM (65.116.254.10)

Bikerdoug,

That is the thing. Everyone's butt is different.

If you need another SLK (no Gel version), I have one with only a few rides on it from the very same sale I bet.


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Re: Fizik Saddles new [Re: cccyclist]
#6721 - 10/05/05 07:14 PM (66.7.29.142)

Hey Insight
By your description you might like to try a Fizik Arione. I don't know if the nose is wide enough for you but the rest of the description seems a match.
fly


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Re: Fizik Saddles new [Re: flythebike]
#6722 - 10/06/05 12:13 AM (67.161.185.252)

Hy Fly,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll be checking out saddles for certain since I'll be spending a lot of money on a bike, so I should really spend a great deal of time to find the perfect saddle for me since it makes no sense to leave it to chance.

I got an email today that the insurance company is trying to get the settlement to be less than my lBS quoted. I called the insurance company and talked with them. I'm waiting for a call back now. I understand from the conversation I had that they pay replacement cost, minus $500 decuctible and minus depreciation on a ten year scale of ten percent per year. Since my bike was stolen when my bike was only six months old I would lose %5 on the replacement cost plus the deductible. Not bad as I see it, as long as the company actually comes through. The replacement cost is about %10 higher than what I originally paid, and that is a true increase since I got my frame just before Calfee raised their prices.


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Insurance Commission new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6724 - 10/06/05 11:41 AM (24.53.254.50)

If for some reason it gets down and dirty with the insurance company you should check if your state has an insurance commission. I had an electrical fire in my house and the company did not want to pay the full amount of the repair. It was over a weekend in the winter so emergency service was the only way to go. They would only pay 1/2 of it and would not budge. To make a long story short...it was illegal since I had full replacement...I said lawyer in reference to that...I explained that my friend the local state rep's office was going to hand deliver my complaint to the insurance commission and put mine on top of the pile...they Fed Xed the rest priority overnight. I was going back and forth with them for what seemed forever and ever my friend (?) the agent left me high and dry.

$500 and a bike sounds very good to me.

Good luck.


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Re: Insurance Commission new [Re: Lon]
#6731 - 10/07/05 01:44 AM (67.161.185.252)

Lon,

Excellent news, my friend. I got a call from my insurance company agent on my answering machine this morning. He said the search company couldn't, as he figured they couldn't, find a discount bicycle cheaper that could replace mine. The settlement was for the current replacement cost as quoted by my bike shop, minus our policy deductable of $500 and %5 depreciation for the bike being half a year old when stolen. The check will be in the mail either now or by tomorrow morning.

This is the first time I ever had a good experience with an insurance company.

Now I can get serious about specifying my new Calfee.


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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: cccyclist]
#6732 - 10/07/05 01:46 AM (66.219.216.203)

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cccyclist wrote:
Bikerdoug,

That is the thing. Everyone's butt is different.

If you need another SLK (no Gel version), I have one with only a few rides on it from the very same sale I bet.




Are you offering it for sale?


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Re: Insurance Commission new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6737 - 10/07/05 03:21 PM (24.53.254.50)

Awesome..."to he who waits...

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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: BikerDoug]
#6739 - 10/07/05 04:48 PM (65.116.254.10)

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BikerDoug wrote:


Are you offering it for sale?




Yep. I pulled it out of my stash and it is actually a SLK Gel Flow. If that is the one that you like, I will let it go for a song.



Edited by cccyclist (10/07/05 10:26 PM)


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Re: Skuke Saddles new [Re: cccyclist]
#6744 - 10/09/05 04:36 AM (66.219.216.203)

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cccyclist wrote:
Quote:

BikerDoug wrote:


Are you offering it for sale?




Yep. I pulled it out of my stash and it is actually a SLK Gel Flow. If that is the one that you like, I will let it go for a song.




The gel flow is a little too quishy for me. Thanks anyway.


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Re: Fizik Saddles new [Re: flythebike]
#6827 - 10/23/05 12:54 AM (67.161.185.252)

I got my insurance check and today I sat down with my local bike shop guy and went through step one of the order process. I'm getting a slight change in the geometry so I have no toe overlap like I had on my last bike. I also am going to get attachment points for a rear rack on which I'll hang the bag that will hold my New York Kryptonite lock. I will also get attachment points for fenders for I will be riding this bike as a commuter in all kinds of weather. Although I liked the clear coat I had on my first bike I'm going with a blue paint job on my new bike. The really nice thing about going through the order process on my second Calfee Tetra Pro is that I've learned some things with my first one and am making some changes to components that will reduce my costs a lot, compared to all the bling components I had on my first bike. I'm also going to go with a compact crank with smaller chain rings so I can do hills comfortably. I'm not a racer and don't need as high a gear as a young person who can put out a lot of power compared to what I can put out at my age and fitness level.

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Re: Fizik Saddles new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6828 - 10/23/05 07:37 AM (71.131.26.40)

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I also am going to get attachment points for a rear rack on which I'll hang the bag that will hold my New York Kryptonite lock.




Can you just leave the Kryptonite locked onto the bike rack (or whatever) at your work? Beats carrying it back and forth everyday. Personally, I'd even buy two locks and leave it at both ends of the commute if that is what it would take to not have to carry the Kryptonite.

FWIW, I picked two Kryptonite chains at Nashbar for ~$13.00 each. I have them both locked to a rack at school and use them both simultaneously. Not Kryptonites "New York" line of locks, but I'm happy with it. Remember, all locks do is keep honest people honest and slow down thieves.
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Re: Fizik Saddles new [Re: skuke]
#6830 - 10/23/05 03:47 PM (67.161.185.252)

Hey Skuke,

Thanks for weighing in. My thinking is this: Both at home and at work my bike can be secure, inside the building. The lock would only be with me when I use the bike instead of a car for errands and such. The rack is there for the convenience of it on a commuter bike. Granted the lock keeps honest people honest. I'm just more paranoid now, knowing how easily a cable can be cut now. I know from research now that the Kryptonite New York style (there are a couple of other manufacturers that also make such styles of locks) carry insurance on loss of the bike. What it boils down to for me is buying such a lock that the sophisticated bike thieves can't break into in public places.

From what I learned no cable lock is secure because a thief can conceal a small cable cutter on their person and use it in such a way that they can make a bystander assume they are unlocking their own bike. A U style of lock is a different animal. A bike thief will not be prepared to break open a U lock since a cable cutter can't cut the hardened steel bar. The chain styles of locks are nearly as secure, but they are just really heavy. So, it boils down for me that I want a secure lock for those situations where I use my bike and will be out of site of it for a period of time, like when I go to the grocery to pick up something.

A little background about where my bike was stolen will also clarify some things. I learned that there are a few sophisticated networks of bicycle thieves that target the kinds of event I was at. A lot of bicycles are found at this event because this is a bicycle-friendly city. It's a rich target area. Because these thieves are sophisticated they know how to casually approach a bike making any standbyer assume they are the owner. These thieves must have been watching me and knew when I was busy at the event and would be away from my bike for more time than they needed. They approached my bike with high confidence that no one would challenge them.

There are many scenarios where a bike thief can steal a bike quickly. I can't accept living in a world where I can't use a bike instead of a car to do things that are routine like picking up a few items from the market that is only a couple of blocks away from me. I want to protect my bike and be a lot more careful about where I secure my bike. Another thing, as I am sitting here drinking my coffee I realized that I will have a bike with a rack and fenders on it, albeit, a Calfee. Maybe a thief will overlook a bike with fenders, not seeing a high-end bike having fenders. That said I realize many thieves, like many of us, are sophisticated enough to see a bike for what it is, seeing the componentry, the frame and such. I suspect I look over a bike much like I would look over a good-looking person of the opposite gender. I notice the little details.

At any rate, apparently for my second experience with getting a custom Calfee this time the wait won't be as long as it was the first time.


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Kryptonite locks new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6836 - 10/24/05 09:03 PM (63.224.207.185)

Insight,

The lock companies will only pay you replacement money if your bike gets stolen and the lock you were using is broken or cut. Remember this when you are locking your expensive bike with an expensive lock to a flimsy metal railing (or the like) where the thing you are locking to is more eaisly cut than the lock. If this happens, no dice on getting the replacement money from the lock company!

- ryan


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Re: Kryptonite locks new [Re: jaleel_da_sheik]
#6837 - 10/24/05 11:44 PM (67.161.185.252)

Hi Ryan,

Thanks for posting. I am aware of the limitations of the warranty. No warranty at this point would make me any less paranoid now. I was stunned at how easily my bike was stolen. I had considered that a public place and being in an open area would deter a thief. I was wrong. Thieves are very sophisticated in their techniques. It's a shame they are addicted to the adrenalin rush they get from stealing.


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Re: Kryptonite locks new [Re: Insightdriver]
#6839 - 10/25/05 04:38 PM (24.53.254.50)

I bought and I'm using the NY K chain lock that must weigh 10 pounds. If nothing else I figure it will discourage anyone enough to find another bike. I still try only to park in safer places (attended garages) and this is all for my Cannondale. (Actually since it has prismatic paint, Shimano 7700 wheels and the name is big around here it is probably less safe than my nude Fly with tubulars.)

I use my bike to get around now so I figure it is worth the effort. When I just cycled it didn't matter all that much as I did not leave the bike very much.

The lighter cable locks are very easy to cut. I would not trust one except for a quick trip into a convenience store with the bike in sight. The best it can do is protect against an amateur snatch and grab.


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Re: Kryptonite locks new [Re: Lon]
#6841 - 10/26/05 12:42 AM (67.161.185.252)

Hi Lon,

On another tack, I'm going to get a rack mount and fenders on my new Calfee. A Tubus Cargo rack and Jitnesha Honosho fenders. These are reccomendations from my LBS. I'm not familiar with different brands of racks and fenders. I do think, however that the fenders look to be a high enough caliber to go on a Calfee.


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