Darby
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I am buying a used Calfee Luna Pro that has everything I could want, except peddles. Any peddle recommendations?
Here is my wish list:
(1) Capable of moving my feet some while riding
(2) Quick and easy release, so I don't accidentally fall over
(3) Can be ridden without being clipped in (ie with tennis shoes)
(4) Can use shoes that don't have a large cleat on the bottom so that I can walk in the shoes comfortably.
Is this a tall order or I can I find what I am looking for?
Thanks,
Bruce
Edited by Darby (08/05/06 06:32 AM)
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Suds
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I would think that a set of Crank Brothers Quatro(sp?) pedals might fit your needs. Double sided entry, large enough platform where you should be able to pedal for short ride in sneakers, and you can use mtb(small recessed cleat) or road shoes.
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Insightdriver
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I have Crank Brothers Candy pedals and I like them because I can twist my feet in them without coming unclipped accidentaly yet with just a little more twist I come right out without any effort. They could be ridden with regular shoes I'm sure, although I haven't done so myself. Since I don't see there being much distinction between road and mountain pedals. I prefer the mountain pedals since I can wear recessed cleats on walkable shoes. Since my biking shoes are walkable I don't run into a situation where I would rather have walking shoes on, yet ride my bike. I've had my Shimano M-120's now for over three years and I am perfectly satisfied with them.
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Darby
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Thanks for replying. Crank Brothers pedals seemed to be very well liked. Are they easy to get in and out of?
My local bike shop is recommending Shimano MB pedals PD-M540 because they are easy to get in and out of for a beginner, which I am. Any experience with the Shimanos?
Thanks,
Bruce Darby
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Lon
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Shimano M-324 Pedal
I recently saw the above pedal on a single speeders bike. It is a regular flat pedal on one side and an SPD Shimano on the other. It will allow you to ride both regular or cycling shoes. She uses the flats for drinking nights.
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Darby
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The Shimano M324 do look good to my eyes. However, from what people are telling me, double sided might be a better way to go. After I get accustomed to clipless pedals (I spelled it correctly this time) I will probably only want to ride with them.
One thing I like about the Shimanos is there is an adjustment for float. Can the Crank Brothers also be adjusted for float?
Thanks,
Bruce
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Insightdriver
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The float on my Candies is the same as on the Eggbeaters I've used. Your feet seem to be on a solid platform, yet you can twist your foot side to side easily. Where you twist your foot, it stays where you put it. As far as clipping in, it's easy and getting out is just as easy.
I've used Shimano SPD pedals and just as a matter of coincidence, I was talking with a guy today who rides a hardtail mountain bike that uses the double-sided SPD's because he can use his sneakers if he doesn't feel like getting into his biking shoes.
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Umlungu
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While clipless pedals might seem daunting, they really aren't so bad. Most every rider who uses clipless pedals will fall at some point, and about the only thing that will really hurt from your fall is your ego.
Crank bros makes a nice product, and if I were going with a mtb pedal i could use with regular shoes that would be the one I would choose. The egg beaters are probably the best bet if you wanted a mtb pedal you could clip into from most any angle and didnt need the shoe requirement.
Road shoes, as you probably know, have a larger surface area between the pedal and the shoe which means there is a smaller chance of getting "hot spots" from a single smaller point in the footbed. Mtb pedals have smaller mounting point and tend to heat up.
So if you are cool with buying one set of shoes and pedals and then turning around and buying another set of more expensive road shoes and pedals, then what you have planned sounds cool. Otherwise I would just get a nice set of road shoes and pedals and take my lumps a couple of times till I get the hang of it. I dont think you will fall as much as you think and you will probably get the hang of it sooner than you think. I could be wrong, but thats just my take.
Good luck and congrats on the new bike, you'll love it. Let us know what you end up getting.
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Insightdriver
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Quote:
Umlungu wrote:
Road shoes, as you probably know, have a larger surface area between the pedal and the shoe which means there is a smaller chance of getting "hot spots" from a single smaller point in the footbed. Mtb pedals have smaller mounting point and tend to heat up.
So if you are cool with buying one set of shoes and pedals and then turning around and buying another set of more expensive road shoes and pedals, then what you have planned sounds cool. Otherwise I would just get a nice set of road shoes and pedals and take my lumps a couple of times till I get the hang of it. I dont think you will fall as much as you think and you will probably get the hang of it sooner than you think. I could be wrong, but thats just my take.
Good luck and congrats on the new bike, you'll love it. Let us know what you end up getting.
I would only take issue with the comment on hot spots. It is not the pedal by itself, but also the stiffness of the shoe that is used. I ride 47 mile rides regularly and don't get hot spots. My shoes are the Shimano M120's (budget-priced shoes) which are plenty stiff enough. I don't feel the pedal under my foot at all, I just feel the platform inside my shoe. I prefer the mountain bike systems because their cleats will fit in recessed walkable shoes. Even many pro racers use mountain bike shoes, so there is no inherent road shoe advantage, though marketers would want you to think otherwise.
Edited by Insightdriver (08/07/06 09:08 PM)
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bfd
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Another pedal you may want to consider is the Speedplay Frog. Yes, its designed for mtb, but it can be used on road bikes too.
I have both the X2 and the frogs and find that I use my frogs more because of the ability to walk around.
The frogs appear to meet all of your requirements:
(1) Capable of moving my feet some while riding
No problem as the frogs have plenty of float.
(2) Quick and easy release, so I don't accidentally fall over
Again, no problem as the frogs are easy to release.
(3) Can be ridden without being clipped in (ie with tennis shoes)
I've done it, although its not as nice as having a full platform pedal.
(4) Can use shoes that don't have a large cleat on the bottom so that I can walk in the shoes comfortably.
Any mtb compatible shoe will work here.
Good Luck!
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cccyclist
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You will also have trouble going from clipped riding to non-clipped riding. Once you get used to clips, your feet will fly off of the pedals when you first ride without them.
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Darby
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You have addressed my questions very well. I will take a look at Speedplay Frogs.
I will probably find that I will no longer want to ride without clips so my comment about riding in tennis shoe is probably an non-issue.
Thanks for post,
Bruce Darby
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ndr
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After using Shemano pedals I went to Speedplay X2 for the last two years and am very happy. Easy to get in and out of with lots of float. I also ride to the store in tennis shoes occasionally and they work quite well. There is a cover for the cleats that I take on long rides so if I want to walk around it is not a problem.
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Darby
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ndr wrote:
After using Shemano pedals I went to Speedplay X2 for the last two years and am very happy. Easy to get in and out of with lots of float. I also ride to the store in tennis shoes occasionally and they work quite well. There is a cover for the cleats that I take on long rides so if I want to walk around it is not a problem.
Does it take to to adjust to the float? I hear from people that use Speedplays that they work well because they don't have springs to get hung up on.
Bruce
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Darby
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bfd wrote:
Another pedal you may want to consider is the Speedplay Frog. Yes, its designed for mtb, but it can be used on road bikes too.
I have both the X2 and the frogs and find that I use my frogs more because of the ability to walk around.
The frogs appear to meet all of your requirements:
(1) Capable of moving my feet some while riding
No problem as the frogs have plenty of float.
(2) Quick and easy release, so I don't accidentally fall over
Again, no problem as the frogs are easy to release.
(3) Can be ridden without being clipped in (ie with tennis shoes)
I've done it, although its not as nice as having a full platform pedal.
(4) Can use shoes that don't have a large cleat on the bottom so that I can walk in the shoes comfortably.
Any mtb compatible shoe will work here.
Good Luck!
Thanks for the very well though out post. You addressed all of my issues very well. Frogs look like they will do the job well and are easy to live.
Thank you,
Bruce Darby
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ndr
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The Speedplays took about two minutes to adjust to. I rode around the cul-de-sac for that long as was ready. Since we do a lot of hills I wanted to make sure I was OK while standing. Not a problem. I like the simplicity. Find that they work better with a little lubricant on the cleat once a week.
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Darby
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My new Calfee is here and all need to ride it are pedals. I have decided on either the Shimano Dura Ace PD-7800 or the Ultegra PD-6610. I have only seen photos of them. I can't find any local suppliers that carry the Dura Ace version. I can not tell much difference between them other than a few ounces, a different finish and about $100.
Does any one have experience with either of them?
Thanks,
Bruce
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Dave_Thompson
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Quote:
Darby wrote:
My new Calfee is here and all need to ride it are pedals. I have decided on either the Shimano Dura Ace PD-7800 or the Ultegra PD-6610. I have only seen photos of them. I can't find any local suppliers that carry the Dura Ace version. I can not tell much difference between them other than a few ounces, a different finish and about $100.
Does any one have experience with either of them?
Thanks,
Bruce
I use the Dura Ace models, but functionally there is very little difference between the Dura Ace and Ultegra pedals. I would tell you to save the hundred bucks, buy the Ultegra pedals and get yourself a pair of the best tires with the savings!
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Darby
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I use the Dura Ace models, but functionally there is very little difference between the Dura Ace and Ultegra pedals. I would tell you to save the hundred bucks, buy the Ultegra pedals and get yourself a pair of the best tires with the savings!
Thanks Dave,
I appreciate the advice. I will go with the Ultegra and use the money for some other upgrade.
Bruce
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Darby
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I use the Dura Ace models, but functionally there is very little difference between the Dura Ace and Ultegra pedals. I would tell you to save the hundred bucks, buy the Ultegra pedals and get yourself a pair of the best tires with the savings!
Dave, how easy are the Shimano pedals to live with? Are the easy to get in and out of?
Thanks,
Bruce
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Dave_Thompson
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Quote:
Darby wrote:
I use the Dura Ace models, but functionally there is very little difference between the Dura Ace and Ultegra pedals. I would tell you to save the hundred bucks, buy the Ultegra pedals and get yourself a pair of the best tires with the savings!
Dave, how easy are the Shimano pedals to live with? Are the easy to get in and out of?
Thanks,
Bruce
I used Speedplays (both the Frogs and X-series) for a number of years before I switched to Shimano last year. What I like about the Shimano pedals is the larger platform and the more secure and stable feel it provides.
The Shimanos are pretty easy to snap into but need a positive release to get out of. The release is adustable in that you can make it use more or less pressure to release. They are not quite as easy a release as the Speedplays, but I've never come out of the pedals accidentally either.
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Darby
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I used Speedplays (both the Frogs and X-series) for a number of years before I switched to Shimano last year. What I like about the Shimano pedals is the larger platform and the more secure and stable feel it provides.
The Shimanos are pretty easy to snap into but need a positive release to get out of. The release is adustable in that you can make it use more or less pressure to release. They are not quite as easy a release as the Speedplays, but I've never come out of the pedals accidentally either.
Thanks Dave,
Bruce
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Insightdriver
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To help you see all the different types of clipless pedals out there, with prices and reviews by people who actually use them, check out this link:
http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/drivetrain/pedals/PLS_2503_912crx.aspx
Edited by Insightdriver (08/23/06 02:31 PM)
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Nev
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Quote:
Darby wrote:
Here is my wish list:
(1) Capable of moving my feet some while riding
(2) Quick and easy release, so I don't accidentally fall over
(3) Can be ridden without being clipped in (ie with tennis shoes)
(4) Can use shoes that don't have a large cleat on the bottom so that I can walk in the shoes comfortably.
If I were you and getting new to these pedals and need the answer to all 4 above, I'd go with mountain bike stuff. They will always be easier to get in and out of. To me, eggbeater stuff is the best. From the list above, Candies are probably what you want. You can get eggbeater mallets with full platforms, but you'll lose some style points. My dad rides candies on his road bike. Mountain bike shoes are also going to solve your #4. Very walkable. Road shoes, not.
I ride regular egg beaters and mtb shoes on my commuting road bike because they are so easy in/out. There's too much going on with the conditions around me, starts and stops. I also have eggbeaters on all our mountain bikes, where you never know when you might need to dab a foot down. Mountain pedals are your best bet. You cannot adjust the float on eggbeaters. You have two float-like options, which is the degree/angle where your foot comes out.
On my other road bike I use speedplay zeros. Two side entry and I like the feel of the wide massive cleat. But they stink to walk in. Road pedals are not as easy in/out.
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Darby
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Quote:
Nev wrote:
Quote:
Darby wrote:
Here is my wish list:
(1) Capable of moving my feet some while riding
(2) Quick and easy release, so I don't accidentally fall over
(3) Can be ridden without being clipped in (ie with tennis shoes)
(4) Can use shoes that don't have a large cleat on the bottom so that I can walk in the shoes comfortably.
If I were you and getting new to these pedals and need the answer to all 4 above, I'd go with mountain bike stuff. They will always be easier to get in and out of. To me, eggbeater stuff is the best. From the list above, Candies are probably what you want. You can get eggbeater mallets with full platforms, but you'll lose some style points. My dad rides candies on his road bike. Mountain bike shoes are also going to solve your #4. Very walkable. Road shoes, not.
I ride regular egg beaters and mtb shoes on my commuting road bike because they are so easy in/out. There's too much going on with the conditions around me, starts and stops. I also have eggbeaters on all our mountain bikes, where you never know when you might need to dab a foot down. Mountain pedals are your best bet. You cannot adjust the float on eggbeaters. You have two float-like options, which is the degree/angle where your foot comes out.
On my other road bike I use speedplay zeros. Two side entry and I like the feel of the wide massive cleat. But they stink to walk in. Road pedals are not as easy in/out.
My wish list has evolved some since I wrote this. To my surprise, pedals were amoung the most difficult accessory / product to choose.
I have since moved away from mountain bike pedals because people were telling me that road shoes and pedals would be more comfortable on 50+ mile rides. The road shoes also seem to have a stiffer sole which I hear will add to the comfort on long rides. I just purchased a pair of Shimano SH-R151 shoes and have now narrowed my pedal choice down to either Look Keo, because they are really light, or Shimano PD-6610 or PD-7800 pedals. Most of the reviews I have read favor the Shimano over the Look pedals because of feel and because the cleats are easier to walk in. However, the Look's only weigh about 115 grams. I think it will be the Shimanos.
Thanks,
Bruce
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Darby
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I bought Dura Ace PD-7800 pedals, but haven't installed them because the bike is in the shop having some work done.
My mechanic thinks that I should consider pedals with more float in them. I have had both of my legs broken so there is the potential for knee problems. My mechanic is partial to Speedplays so that is what he is suggesting. I really like the idea of having a large pedal so I would prefer the Shimano SPD-SL pedals or possible the Time RSX Carbon pedals.
I may keep the Shimano pedals and just sell them used on Ebay if they cause me any problems; or, I might just get the Time RSX Carbon pedals? They seems to have a lot of float and are adjustable in many different directions. The Shimanos are only adjustable from side to side.
Does anyone have experience with the Time RSX pedals.
Bruce
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Dave_Thompson
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Depending on the shoes, the Shimano cleats can be adjusted side-to-side and on all shoes fore and aft.
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Darby
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Quote:
Dave_Thompson wrote:
Depending on the shoes, the Shimano cleats can be adjusted side-to-side and on all shoes fore and aft.
Dave,
Thanks for responding.
I think I will just stick with the Shimano Pedals. A cyclist friend of my neighbor, with serious knee problems, told me that too much float causes him more pain. He also rides the Shimano PD-SL pedals without any problems.
Bruce
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