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Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro
#9774 - 06/17/08 03:24 PM (64.101.131.124)

In October of last year I purchased a used Bamboo Pro frame and fork from local cyclist. In November I sent the frame to Calfee to have Calfee inspect the frame and fork and transfer the warranty to me. While it was in California, I purchased all the necessary parts and built the bike out once I got everything in. I promised Craig and James I would write up a review of my experience riding my Bamboo Pro and the Luna Pro.

The following is the review I wrote up and emailed Craig last night. I thought I would repost it here for anyone interested. To see pictures of my Bamboo Pro, click here.

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Craig,

I have been meaning to write you this little review of my experiences with my Bamboo Pro for some time now. Hopefully my feedback will help in some way and if not, at least it was fun for me to write up.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert so I have no real way of backing any of this up; it's really about how I perceive what is going on when I ride my Bamboo Pro vs. my Luna Pro. My Bamboo Pro has carbon wrapped joints and the chainstay is also made of bamboo. I know the chainstays are available in carbon for added stiffness but can't really speak to that since I haven't ridden that setup.

I have to say that the ride quality of the Bamboo is unparalleled in the marketplace. It is, without a doubt, the most comfortable ride I have ever experienced, period. Not even my Luna Pro that can touch it. The frame is heavier than my Luna, the entire bike is about 17 lbs and my Luna runs around 15 lbs, so its not the lightest bike, but the ride more than makes up for it. (In reality, 17 lbs is pretty dang good)

Here is how I have the Bamboo Pro built out:

56 cm Bamboo Pro
Chris King Headset
Calfee Barstem Combo
Reynolds Ouzo Pro Fork
Campagnolo Record 10 Group
Negative G Brakes
Brooks Swallow Racing Saddle
Topolino AC29 Wheels

I have told several people the closest thing non-cycling thing I can compare the Bamboo Pro to is my car, a Lexus IS. The Lexus IS is a sport luxury sedan: it has the cushy ride of a luxury car coupled with a tremendous sport performance suspension and engine. The Bamboo frame reduces so much of the road chatter I am totally blown away yet it still responds very well even out of the saddle and climbing. I think the greatest feature of the Bamboo is its ability to soak up the road vibration. It's quite flexy which translates into a buttery smooth ride for its pilot but not so flexy that one thinks they are riding a wet noodle.

I have talked to several people who say they prefer road feedback. Riders who stay away from carbon frames for this reason should definitely stay away from the Bamboo as the vibration and road chatter is cut down so much more. I did a notoriously rough ride a few months ago and found myself smiling through all the hardest patches just because I couldn't believe the job the bamboo was doing. It was unreal. You couldn't have knocked the smile off my face with a 2x4. I find myself looking for rough roads just so I can watch the others in my group grit their teeth as I smile wide. I often wonder what riding a Bamboo Pro would be like on some of the famous European cobbles. If you ever hear from someone who has taken their Bamboo on such a road I would be very interested in hearing what they thought, especially if they have a non-bamboo to compare it to.

This year I began racing bikes competitively. As you know better than me; the type of riding racers do on their bikes can be quite different than what a recreational cyclist does. The mechanics of riding are the same, but it seems to me that racers put an intense amount of stress on the bike usually in interval-type repetitions and at much higher speeds.

When I ride longer distances, I spend large amounts of time in a sustained, moderate to high intensity effort. The Bamboo is prefect for this type of riding since it reduces road fatigue on my body and ultimately keeps me fresher for a longer period of time. When I am riding long distance this is exactly what I need.

During shorter and faster races though I favor my Luna over the Bamboo for two reasons:

First, the very flex that gives the Bamboo its amazing ride quality becomes greatly amplified during a max effort interval in a criterium or road race. This flex translates to a more sluggish feel when really stomping it. A stiffer frame like my Luna translates the power from my legs to the bike alot quicker since there is less flex and therefore feels "snappier" during max efforts.

Second, because the Bamboo is such a rare and unique bike, I can't stand the thought of crashing it during a race. Crashes while racing are very common, especially during Cat 4-5 races, and if I were to go down while riding the Bamboo it would be ... tragic.

To me, racing the Bamboo in a weekly crit would be like wearing a tuxedo to McDonalds. You just don't break out the finest ya got for a run-of-the-mill event and risk someone spilling ketchup all over your cumberbun. Don't get me wrong, I ride my Bamboo at every chance I get but I fear I would have a heart attack if it was taken out of commission by a Cat 5 bozo who couldn't hold his line going into the first corner.

It seems to me that just as we have Time Trial, Track, Single Speed or traditional Road bikes for the different type of riding we do, the Bamboo fits in nicely for the type of riding it's best suited for. To me it's base miles, bike tours and long distance (century+) events. My Luna is my everyday rider and racing workhorse. Where my Luna is fast (x2), stiff (x2) and cushy my Bamboo is fast, fun (x2) and cushy (x3). If that makes any sense.

One final parting word here I would mention to anyone considering buying a Bamboo Pro. This bike gets an UNBELIEVABLE amount of attention so be prepared to talk to just about everyone who sees the bike. When I say lots of attention; I mean LOTS of attention. It's quite fun to take it to charity tour rides and weekend club rides because it's an instant conversation starter. Most folks have either seen the bike in Bicycling Magazine, read about it online or seen it on TV but "never in real life". Others simply can't believe it's real wood and a surprising number of folks think it's a carbon or metal frame bike painted to look like wood. I've had people ask if they could take their picture with the bike as well as asked to bring the bike to recreational cycling clubs (to which I don't belong) and talk about it. It's a major hit with everyone and I never get tired of talking about what a pleasure it is to ride.

Craig, you have a real winner here and I just want to say thank you for building such an innovative and environmentally friendly bicycle. It's a total joy to ride and when coupled with my Luna makes for the perfect road combination. Maybe one of these days I'll get a Dragonfly and see how that compares as well. I would highly recommend the Bamboo Pro to anyone who is looking for the ultimate ride from the world's premier bike builder.

Bottomline: 5 stars all the way!

Thanks and keep up the great work!
Michael Whitley


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Re: Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro new [Re: Umlungu]
#9776 - 06/17/08 05:01 PM (66.27.148.144)

Michael,

Wow, a great review. Just like your Garmin 305 review which was the review that caused me to buy one. I have wanted a Bamboo for a while, now I want one even more.

You gave a very detailed and honest evaluation of the Calfee Bamboo and Luna. The quality of your review is something that few professionals can do or will do. I have become accustomed to reading reviews that are really just sale pitches and not an evaluation; or reviews that provide no useful information and just rehash the manufacturer?s press release.

I only have one bike and have been planning a second one for a while but haven't yet figured out what I want. I will probably have one bike for fast training rides for the purpose of pushing myself to exhaustion on rides around 20 - 30 miles. My Tetra will do nicely here.

My second bike would be for long distances like centuries or multi-day rides which I haven?t done yet but will eventually. The Calfee Bamboo might be just the right bike for this purpose.

Bruce


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Re: Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro new [Re: Darby]
#9777 - 06/17/08 05:16 PM (66.27.148.144)

After I replied to your review, I thought of a couple of questions.

With my riding style, I hardly ever sprint. I never stand out of the saddle. I tend to be more of a spinner rather than a masher. So stiffness in the bottom bracket probably isn?t something that would make much difference to me.

Between the Luna and the Bamboo, do you seem much difference in top speed and climbing and descending performance?

Thanks,

Bruce


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Re: Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro new [Re: Darby]
#9778 - 06/17/08 09:34 PM (64.101.131.124)

Thanks Bruce. I've been working on my little review for while and it feels good to have it written down in a way that kinda sums up my overall impressions.

As far as how it feel when out of the saddle: I notice the flex in the BB area when standing and stomping the pedals. My mechanic is a very light guy and he noticed the flex as well when he's test ridden it.

I would offer this thought. To a rider who hasn't ever really ridden the bamboo the flex might be a bit weird at first, but if you have ridden the bike over various surfaces and get the feel of how it handles its a very natural and normal thing.

I think what took me a long time to write up my review was trying to find the right words to use when talking about the flex of the frame.

The way I talk about the flex might lead one to believe the frame is bending all over the place. It doesn't. But if you are the type of rider willing to buy such a bike chances are you are pretty in tune with how your current bike(s) handle and feel. I struggled to come up with a way to talk about the flex and comfort the bike provides without scaring folks into thinking the bike is wild or unnatural. The bike is very natural and is so ideal for long distance type riding it actually feels MORE natural than a carbon or metal bike. It's like the bike becomes a more natural extension of the cyclist almost.

Shorter rides and even fast ride are still perfectly fine with this bike, it's just the type of short rides I am doing these days are extremely fast and kinda dangerous which goes back to my review and the reason why I don't want to use the bamboo. There is no technical reason why a Bamboo shouldnt be used on a short course.

I imagine that each bamboo piece (since it's organic) will vary in the amount of flex it produces so each Bamboo created will vary slightly based on the batch of Bamboo used. This means that each frame could be different and another Bamboo Pro might ride stiffer than mine.

But I digress, back to climbing! The bike ascends great and is still very responsive. I will take the flex it produces while ascending any day of the week since I know that comes with the ride it produces while descending and on the flats.

Now to descending. I have had the bike into the 40 mph zone (I live in Dallas) and the bike is so smooth its like I'm cheating. I really think this gives the rider an even greater edge because he/she can concentrate even more on the technical aspect of the descent rather than having their brain jarred out. The frame is perfectly stiff enough for what we can throw at it and I again it makes nearly every aspect of my everyday rides new again.

The other reason I wanted to wait a while to write this up is just to see if the things I was feeling and experiencing on the bike were mental or real. It was such a sweet ride right off the bat I had to hold myself in check and see if i was really feeling better during and after the rides or if the adrenaline of having a new bike was messing with my feelings somewhat. I have been riding it regularly since Feb. or so and feel just as giddy today as I did back then when I take it out.

The local cyclist I bight the bike from on this forum mentioned as he sold it to me that he got alot of attention while riding the like and he wasn't kidding. I think if anyone is shy, not much of a people person or really doesn't like chatting to folks while riding they might not want to go with the Bamboo. I am such a geek - I eat stuff like that up so I don't mind one bit but I can definitely see how it might make certain people uncomfortable. I usually just say thank you and answer their questions as best I can.


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Re: Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro new [Re: Umlungu]
#9779 - 06/17/08 11:45 PM (64.101.131.124)

I also had another thought I forgot to include that I should have really put in my disclaimer ...

Since I was not the original owner of this bike, it very likely the tubes selected for the original owner don't exactly match up with my weight. I am a heavier guy than the original owner (not a whole lot - but I am) so had I ordered this frame built for me they might have used different tubes accordingly.

Just a thought.


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Re: Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro new [Re: Umlungu]
#9780 - 06/18/08 05:24 PM (66.27.148.144)

Quote:

Umlungu wrote:
I also had another thought I forgot to include that I should have really put in my disclaimer ...

Since I was not the original owner of this bike, it very likely the tubes selected for the original owner don't exactly match up with my weight. I am a heavier guy than the original owner (not a whole lot - but I am) so had I ordered this frame built for me they might have used different tubes accordingly.

Just a thought.




James had confirmed what I had thought. Calfee can make a Bamboo Pro as stiff as necessary by using larger diameter tubes. Any flex can be eliminated while still maintaining that comfortable ride quality.

For a long distance bike, I think it is probably a great choice. The only down side might might be its repairability. If I were to scrape up the carbon on my Tetra, it can be fixed. Bamboo might be a little more difficult.

Have you picked up any dings and scraps from flying rocks?

Bruce


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Re: Comparing my Bamboo Pro to my Luna Pro new [Re: Darby]
#9781 - 06/18/08 06:03 PM (64.101.131.124)

Thanks Bruce. This makes complete sense.

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