On the Serotta board, someone wanted to compare the CSI or CIII to the Crown Jewel. I did not want to post there because I don't think the bikes compare well and I did not want to go to the Serotta board and say that. I can really compare the CSI to the Independence best since I have owned a CSI that was built to do touring on to the Independence I now ride. The IF rides smoother and is stiffer as well as being joy to ride the paint is as good as the Serotta paint-flawless. I have also ridden a Ti Crown Jewel and currently own a Serotta Ti that I am trying to sell. I am not knocking the Serotta when I say that the Crown Jewel really does ride just as good and handles faster, although some riders would not like that.