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TheMightySkunk
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Re: Serotta
      04/22/04 10:09 PM (66.135.253.9)

Hi Guys,

I don't own a Calfee, but I must say I think the Calfee forum has the best discussions on BikeFanClub. Only in the Calfee forum can the discussion be just as much about Litespeeds and Serottas!

Allow me to add to this thread by saying that I own a ti Serotta Legend AND two Litespeeds - a 2004 Vortex custom and a 2001 Ultimate. I also have a prototype titanium Ritchey. I am a bike freak and a weekend racer with disposable income (i.e. no kids, no wife, no ex-wives), so I ride lots of different bikes and buy several new rides every year.

IMHO, my Serotta Legend Ti is the best bike I've ever ridden. Hands down. If I had to own only one bike, that would be it.

The Litespeeds and the Ritchey are also terrific. I bought a used 2001 Ultimate rather than a newer one because I think the carbon monostays on the newer ones are BOGUS. No matter what bull***t Litespeed puts in their ad materials, the carbon is only there for one reason - cost. It takes 3 years to train a master ti welder, whereas any high school kid can be trained to mix up a batch of epoxy and glue (i.e "bond") carbon tubes & lugs together on a jig in a few weeks. Using the carbon monostay reduces the number of welds on a frame by almost half.

I have owned a bunch of carbon bikes, but I no longer own any. I made this decision because I have personally experienced and witnessed too many unexplained catastrophic failures of carbon structures in other sports (windsurfing, skiing, motor sports). Warranties are great, but they don't do you much good if you're dead. I'm sure Airbus has a great warranty on the carbon tail section which sheared off that American Airlines Airbus jet climbing out of LaGuardia 2 years ago, resulting in a crash which killed all aboard.

Going by laboratory specs, carbon is by far the best material for bike frames and components. So if I ever decide to buy a bike only to ride in a laboratory, it'll definitely be carbon.

I use aluminum handlebars, seatposts, stems, wheels, and cranks. I prefer Thomson stems and seatposts, they're a little heavy but they are machined out of a one-piece billet. No welds to mysteriously fail. I use AlphaQ forks with titanium steerer tubes. There is no carbon on any of my bikes except the fork tines, which I reluctantly use because there really are no reasonable alternatives available. But I do examine the carbon tines before every ride for any nick or scratch that goes even remotely beyond "cosmetic".

Those are my opinions, choices, and experiences. I realize posting such thoughts in a (carbon) Calfee forum is like posting Hamas philosophy in a synogogue, so thanks for listening.

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* Carbon Durability charlesf 04/08/04 08:34 PM
. * Re: Carbon Durability Max   04/11/04 12:25 AM
. * Re: Max's post charlesf   04/18/04 03:29 AM
. * Re: Serotta TheMightySkunk   04/22/04 10:09 PM
. * Re: Serotta skuke   04/22/04 11:17 PM
. * Re: AA flight 587 TheMightySkunk   04/23/04 07:09 AM
. * Re: AA flight 587 skuke   04/23/04 03:42 PM
. * Re: Parlee, Moots, Calfee RDP   04/10/04 02:57 AM
. * Re: Carbon Durability Tetrafied   04/09/04 08:30 PM
. * Re: Carbon Durability bfd   04/09/04 03:01 AM
. * Re: Carbon Durability vaxn8r   04/09/04 02:49 AM
. * Re: Carbon Durability DGauthier   04/09/04 12:16 AM
. * Re: Carbon Durability Wisdom   04/09/04 01:34 AM
. * I think... Dave_Thompson   04/09/04 02:43 AM
. * I don't think that's the only consideration . . . DGauthier   04/09/04 04:10 AM
. * Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . dfcas   04/09/04 10:11 AM
. * Re: Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . nicrump   04/09/04 05:43 PM
. * Re: Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . DGauthier   04/09/04 08:10 PM
. * Re: Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . charlesf   04/10/04 02:19 AM
. * Re: Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . vaxn8r   04/10/04 06:20 AM
. * Re: Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . 1centaur   04/10/04 02:24 PM
. * Re: Steel forks aren't very repairable.... . . easypedaler   04/10/04 03:34 PM
. * Re: ti v. carbon RDP   04/10/04 03:46 PM
. * Re:If I had too..... easypedaler   04/10/04 08:56 PM
. * Re: ti ride RDP   04/10/04 10:16 PM
. * Re: what the heck does...... easypedaler   04/10/04 03:35 PM
. * Re: what the heck does...... RDP   04/10/04 03:38 PM
. * Re: Parlee demos RDP   04/10/04 03:09 AM
. * Re: Parlee demos vaxn8r   04/10/04 06:10 AM
. * Re: Parlee demos RDP   04/10/04 06:14 AM
. * Re: Parlee demos vaxn8r   04/10/04 06:23 AM
. * Re: carbon v. ti RDP   04/10/04 06:40 AM
. * Re: carbon v. ti vaxn8r   04/11/04 01:45 AM
. * Merlin Lon   04/11/04 07:14 PM
. * Re: Merlin vaxn8r   04/12/04 03:02 AM
. * Re: Merlin Lon   04/12/04 06:15 PM
. * Re: Merlin bfd   04/12/04 07:04 PM
. * bfd & vaxn8r Lon   04/12/04 07:37 PM
. * Re: bfd & vaxn8r vaxn8r   04/13/04 04:01 AM
. * vaxn8r Lon   04/13/04 08:46 PM
. * vaxn8r Lon   04/13/04 12:15 PM
. * Re: When easypedaler   04/11/04 10:25 PM
. * Re: carbon v. ti RDP   04/11/04 05:10 AM
. * Re: Carbon Durability beegeddie   04/08/04 09:02 PM
. * Re: Carbon Durability MSO   04/09/04 06:18 PM

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